Roy or Marth

[Heretic_789]

This is proberbly mentioned lots but who is better in your opinion?
Also do you have any tips that can help newbies play better with Marth or Roy? Please vote before you post.

Thankyou for your time.

[Pikapower]

Marth is a top tier roy is a mid i think that says enough:rolleyes:

[Glide]

Marth. No contest. I don't think there's anything Roy can do that Marth can't do better. There's probably something, but I doubt that it's that big of a deal anyway.

[kaevne]

i'm a noob but Roy does the DED better/faster/more anti-shield grab (FFD)/spike (FUU) better than Marth's DED?

Also the fire is confuses people.

[Rebel581]

Originally posted by kaevne
i'm a noob but Roy does the DED better/faster/more anti-shield grab (FFD)/spike (FUU) better than Marth's DED?

Also the fire is confuses people.
Anti-shield grab Marth does better (can hit with tipper instead of middle), has a better spike, and not sure what the last thing is. The DED/dancing blade is usually a sucky meteor smash because it's hard to use and can be meteor cancelled. So neither of those is better then the other, just Roy's DED is better.

So Marth > Roy in almost everything except ground game and B moves.

[kaevne]

lol when i said antishield grab and spike i meant the components of Roy's DED, Forward-anything-down, and forward-up-up, respectively :)

[VilNess]

Originally posted by kaevne

Also the fire is confuses people.

Whoa we have some good Sig material here Thanks!

[Hoefler]

WHY DOES THIS EXIST?

Tiers solve for this entire cliché discussion.

EAT MY SIG.

[MediocreGamer]

....I prefer ROy, as he can take many more hits, and tends to be more solid than Marth, and as for your sig....It is nowhere as 1337 as mine.

[Hoefler]

My sig has potential, wait no... it is the greatest. It has two sexy Korean pop idols!

[MediocreGamer]

Originally posted by 311
My sig has potential, wait no... it is the greatest. It has two sexy Korean pop idols!

OK, one, you sound like a rabid fangirl, and two, once again, your posts count for absolutly nothing, and three, who cares about Korean pop idols? This is a Smash board! Ness, Fox, Roy, and Mewtwo rule!

[Rebel581]

Originally posted by MediocreGamer
....I prefer ROy, as he can take many more hits, and tends to be more solid than Marth, and as for your sig....It is nowhere as 1337 as mine.
Actually it's about the same. I think Roy is heavier (alhtough Marth might be heavier, I might have heard something about that being screwed up) but he dies off the side more easily due to his sucky recovery. So really, Marth can take more hits then Roy.

[Hoefler]

Originally posted by MediocreGamer
OK, one, you sound like a rabid fangirl, and two, once again, your posts count for absolutly nothing, and three, who cares about Korean pop idols? This is a Smash board! Ness, Fox, Roy, and Mewtwo rule!

1. What's wrong with that? :p
2. I know, I never said they did. --;
3. Lol, I just used their pics for my sig you idiot!
(4.) I own you in smash anyway. O("o)


ON TOPIC: Roy isn't heavier, he just falls faster.

PEOW.

[Rebel581]

Originally posted by 311
ON TOPIC: Roy isn't heavier, he just falls faster.
As I thought. He's still heavy, but he dies easier then Marth. So saying it's harder to kill Roy then Marth isn't true. Since Marth has better recovery and lives longer if you try to send him over the top.

[Rebel581]

Originally posted by Rebel581
As I thought. He's still heavy, but he dies easier then Marth. So saying it's harder to kill Roy then Marth isn't true. Since Marth has better recovery and lives longer if you try to send him over the top.
Sorry for the double post but I just wanted to correct myself. Marth dies easier over the top. I just tested by using Luigi's dsmash (with no move decay) and testing what was the maximum percentage they could survive it at.

Did 4 people. Samus is the heaviest yet dies the easiest, and Falco's the lightest on this list yet takes the longest to die.

Luigi Dsmash Test for Weight
Falco-95%
Marth-80%
Samus-79%
Roy-84%

Done in NTSC v. 1.2

[Heretic_789]

Got proof that Roy is Heavier than Marth Right Here:

http://www.smashbrosmelee.com/~characters/roy.shtml

Read at his up b attack and read it.

[Rebel581]

Originally posted by Heretic_789
Got proof that Roy is Heavier than Marth Right Here:

http://www.smashbrosmelee.com/~characters/roy.shtml

Read at his up b attack and read it.
1. Roy goes about just as far with his up-b, just not as I veritcally because he goes farther horizontally.
2. I've got two more accurate sources telling me otherwise.

So you are wrong. Now Marth might be heavier, but he dies off the top easier then Roy if you had read my last post.

[Heretic_789]

Ok but that link was from this very website but ok, so who do you think can grapple better l dont know or are they the same?

[Hoefler]

Grapple? WTF?

[Heretic_789]

Grapple is another way of saying when they do their flip move, example: Links Grapple is a chain.

[Hoefler]

Don't you mean their grab?

... grapple...

pftt.

[Rebel581]

Well if you mean the grab then Marth's is better. It's longer.

[Glide]

Roy is indeed lighter than Marth. The easiest test is the scales in mushroom kingdom 1. Put marth on one, roy on the other. Marth's scale falls. He's heavier.

as far as Mew2King's stat page says, Marth's grab is slightly longer than Roy's.

As for their recovery analysis, here we go:
Marth is floatier, and thus falls with a lesser velocity. This allows him more time as he is coming down, and thus greater horizontal distance by a large margin as long as he is recovering from above. Roy is at a disadvantage here. Pure horizontals, it's fairly even; Roy's "curled" up-b gives him a lot of reach, but he still hits around the same range as Marth does here. Below the level, they're both sunk, but Marth comes out on top here too; he goes higher with his up-b, and has a very slight curling effect as well, though it's incredibly small and very rarely changes the outcome at all.

Roy is a fast faller. He accelerates towards the ground more quickly than Marth does. This means when hit upwards at the same percentage, Roy will go a shorter distance. Roy is harder to kill off the top.

Roy's grab, (yes, grapple is technically a correct term. They're synonyms in many cases.) is generally seen as worse because his throws have more knockback. This leads to a lack of setups. Roy can kill more easily with throws, but he can't set up with them.

Roy's d-tilt has a pop up effect. Just worth mentioning.

As far as DED, Roy's is not actually much better than Marth's. Roy's simply gets more time because he lacks better options.

Roy's counter is a toss up; some like it better than Marth's. Others don't. Really, it's preference.

I've finally discovered one thing however that Roy can hold over Marth's head, and it is his ability to 1 hit KO jiggly on FD. Reverse blazer pwns you.

Roy has slightly more reach than Marth does; by about 1 pixel.

[Ninja]

But...Marth is in every way better than roy

[Krazy]

OMG did you like not just read that post? Glide listed AT LEAST 3 things Roy has over Marth. Grab knockback, horizontal recovery distance, T3h PH1R3, sword range...

Marth is overall better, as suggested by the tiers, but to say he is in EVERY way better is simply absurd.

[Ninja]

I forgot who said this but what roy can do marth can do better.

[Glide]

I'd rather say it this way:

In any given situation, Marth will ALWAYS perform better than Roy. Roy has some advantages in certain attacks, but Marth will always have a different option that is infinitely better.

[Rebel581]

Reverse Blazer against Jiggs, nuff' said. Marth can never beat a OHKO.

[Krazy]

Let's not forget the fully charged B attack. Marth's may break shields but Roy's breaks life.

[Busta]

But it takes Roy too much time to perform his charged b, while Marth's b (charged or not) makes its damage to either the shiled or the player. If someone was to activate his character's shield against Roy the attack would be mostly useless unless Roy had his attack completely charged (which is very difficult in a 1 vs 1).

My vote goes to Marth, he's just got better reaction time and recovery abilities...

[Rebel581]

Originally posted by Busta
But it takes Roy too much time to perform his charged b, while Marth's b (charged or not) makes its damage to either the shiled or the player. If someone was to activate his character's shield against Roy the attack would be mostly useless unless Roy had his attack completely charged (which is very difficult in a 1 vs 1).

My vote goes to Marth, he's just got better reaction time and recovery abilities...
I was responding to Glide saying that Marth would always have better options. Nothing is better then a quick OHKO. Marth can't do that against Jiggs.

It's quite obvious that Marth is better, but people act like Roy is completely useless. On the contrary, he's still a very solid character. He's got his weaknesses and his strengths. He's not a character which you can just pick up and expect to immediately win.

And he's got some insane combo ability. It's weird how his attacks strinbg together but they surprisingly string together.

So don't act like Marth is just so much better then Roy by so much that Roy shouldn't even be in the game. That's obviously not true and Roy does have his advantages, just not the same ones as Marth has.

[Glide]

I dunno; it'd take a pretty confident guy to take Roy against Jiggs. Up-throw to rest works pretty well on him. I also don't see reverse blazer working too well on any sort of competent jiggs. Also note that Marth does have a one hit KO on a jiggs, through a shield break. Off the top.

Edit:
Another thing to notice, I did mention the reverse blazer in my posts. Don't act like I just typed out "OMG MARTH TEH ROXXOR CUZ TEH TIPPAR OMG". There's also a reason that Roy is placed where he is: Mid Tier. As far tiers go, they don't say he's utterly worthless. Just not nearly as good as Marth is. The problem is that there's massive stereotyping of people in their Marth v. Roy choice. Roy players tend to see Marth players as elitists (OMG T0P T13R), and Marth players tend to see Roy players as noobs (the ever famous line, "R0Y H45 73H PH1R3!!!!11").

[Hoefler]

OK, what the hell...

Heh, I can't seem to figure out what the reverse blazer is...

(hint: enlighten me.)

[Krazy]

Roy can aim his Blazer(Up-B). When doing it forward, hit Up-B and then to the side. It goes very horizontal, now just Up-B and then face it backwards. The first hit in the Blazer is the strongest, and since for the most part you hit with either all the hits or all the hits that don't matter, people don't really know about it.

EDIT: It is also worthy to note that the reverse Blazer has a set amount of knockback that does not increase with percentage. Which is the reason it only works on lighter characters.

[Ninja]

Originally posted by Krazy
Let's not forget the fully charged B attack. Marth's may break shields but Roy's breaks life.


that does not simply make roy a better chioce than marth besides,in a one on one who the hell would stand there that long. the counter is great if you can catch it but, it's to short and the up B just sucks unless your trying to get back on the stage.

[Rebel581]

Originally posted by Glide
I dunno; it'd take a pretty confident guy to take Roy against Jiggs. Up-throw to rest works pretty well on him. I also don't see reverse blazer working too well on any sort of competent jiggs. Also note that Marth does have a one hit KO on a jiggs, through a shield break. Off the top.

Edit:
Another thing to notice, I did mention the reverse blazer in my posts. Don't act like I just typed out "OMG MARTH TEH ROXXOR CUZ TEH TIPPAR OMG". There's also a reason that Roy is placed where he is: Mid Tier. As far tiers go, they don't say he's utterly worthless. Just not nearly as good as Marth is. The problem is that there's massive stereotyping of people in their Marth v. Roy choice. Roy players tend to see Marth players as elitists (OMG T0P T13R), and Marth players tend to see Roy players as noobs (the ever famous line, "R0Y H45 73H PH1R3!!!!11").
I can agree with that. Roy is another one of those characters that is overlooked due to someone else that is better. Such as Sheik and Zelda, same thing with Marth and Roy sorta.

[Krazy]

Link and Ylink...Pikachu and Pichu...

Originally posted by Ninja
that does not simply make roy a better chioce than marth besides,in a one on one who the hell would stand there that long. the counter is great if you can catch it but, it's to short and the up B just sucks unless your trying to get back on the stage.

Dude. Joke. Laugh. Feel Stupid.

[Rayku]

I'm a current Marth user, but Roy was my beginning char. Not to brag, but I'm still the best Roy I know and the best among people I've played. I just like Roy, always wanted to be best with him. Marth's got weird angles, and although he may be better in the longrun, I choose Roy for the fact that he's just probably my original char. Also, I'm not the worst in the world with him =D

[Hoefler]

heh, so you're better at marth but picked roy out of loyalty?

Odd..

[En.Ee.Oh]

LMAO @ the amount of newbery in this thread, die with godspeed