Peach belongs in top tier

[Wife]

I feel very strongly that Peach has top tier in her blood.
She's not only effective, but easy to use. I get first in tournaments, yet I can't L-Cancel worth a ****. I can't even usually hit the C-Stick in the direction I please, but I can travel around the country and win money. Only with her could I accomplish such a feat. Because Peach is a cheater.

Think about what a s-l-u-t she is:
She float cancels -- THAT'S CHEATING!!!! She's cheating the system. She can float around the stage like she owns it, and off the stage floating is even more effective.

She has a sweet *** projectile. Abusing regular turnips would be more than enough to get the job done, but no, she has to have death turnips (damage cabbage lol) and dotted eyed turnips (those are soooooo useful) and friggin bombs and beamswords. Bombs and beamswords, are you joking?
We took off items for a reason -- cuz their cheap. But those rules don't apply to her!! No, not Peach!! And she is the only character in the game who can do arial attacks with items in her hand.

She has bombass priority. She has ridiculous recovery -- I like to get hit so I can come back with a nair. Hits go through her dress. She can chain throw.

Also, she's relaxing to play. Fox players are sweatin thru the chair while Peach players barely pay attention. As proof of such at the end of the match she acts surprised -- "ohhh, did I win?"

Yes Peach, you won. You won because you're a s1ut and you cheated. And because you're TOP TIER

[The Cape]

I just recently started playing peach and all the things you mentioned are true. She definetly has top tier potential and is quite the nasty matchup for many characters. Until I began playing her regularly I had a very hard time figuring out how to beat Peach. She is a tough nut to crack to say the least.

Peach for top tier (or at least top of high).

[Oro]

Peach and Wife both suck; I own them for free. Peach and Wife for Bottom Tier!!

[The Cape]

Oro said he owns them for free. So if Oro asks you for a money match tell him no way, you play for free. FREE MATCHES FROM ORO!

[Mikey Lenetia]

Peach is awesome. It's not just because of her 'cheapness' but that she can have a lot of depth. She tests the PLAYER, not the character limits. As long as you have the potential, you always find something new with her.

... That, and it's fun to play someone that LOVES to crouch cancel. Blender Dress, anyone?

[Elno1]

yea i def see her as top tier, her turnips are insane, and her priority is sick (ladies first :p ) she basically has everything that a top tier has or would need, and you cant stop learning. Peach= broken :D hence why i play her and shes fun ;)

[Yuna]

I don't know enough about Marth to see claim that Peach should go past him on the tierlist, but she is definately better than Flaco.

[Kaotical]

I definitely think she needs to be, at least, somewhere higher on the tier list. She can abuse her moves in more ways than just about any other character, and she gets away with it in such an evil fashion! I say 'Go, Peach!'. Not to mention everybody, I mean everybody, talks about how much of a ***** Peach can be as an opponent. Downsmash = *****-nado!

[TiRune]

I wouldnt know about peach in NTSC compared to the other characters. but in the underground PAL list were working on, peach definetely ends up higher since the rest of the chars got downgraded...

[KNPMASTER]

this is, by far, the best topic ever forever...

PEACH
IS
A
CHEATER

no questions asked.

I fully agree in every way that peach is the most cheating character in the game. I have full experience playing a good peach too. I play Ryoko on a constant basis, and no matter what character I pull out and throw at him, its always the hardest battle of my life. I do pull off the ocasional "quick kill" and gain a life up, but somehow dave can come back and win every once in a while.

I have been in matchs with dave(ryoko) in which he has, during a normal match, pulled out 3 death turnips in a row, a beam sword, and a bomb. Pure cheating. And this is all on top of the constant turnips. I need to change my game to play both the turnips and peach herself.

Basically, there is no was I can express how I feel that Peach is a cheater as she plays in Melee.

Unless all the characters possess the ability to "pull bombs and swords out of airplanes", then I feel that PEACH SHOULD BE A BANNED CHARACTER in tournament play. Despite the fact that I can beat dave every 10 or so matches.

peach is a dildo-face

[RyokoYaksa]

OMFG KNPMASTER POSTED

...I love Wife for making this thread.

[Electricmouse]

Peach should be top tier. She can punish so many characters and her moves are so powerful. Whats to keep her from moving up anyway?

Besides she isn't cheap she is just morally challenged.

[Varuna]

So Why isnt she top tier Whats Keeping her ... Im asking really.... is their some specific move that the top tier Chars can spam against her

or is it that she is slow
not that much expandability (in comparason to some other chars)

and although cheap and effective at most times A Very well thought out and conservative strategy still seems to get the advantage of her at High levels of play

[Yuna]

Peach isn't top tier because at least Fox is better than her. Then again, she can just chainthrow him.

Sheik is just annoying and can *****slap better than Peach and Marth, well, anyway...

I still vote for Peach to go past Flaco, even in NTSC.

[Pritch]

I'm honestly curious, as I'm pretty new to the world of advanced smash bros (pretty clear by some of my other posts). Why is falco higher than peach in the tiers? Because to my eyes Peach is the stronger character (though I personally play a better falco, but whatever). Peach's turnips are, admittedly, not QUITE as capable of shutting down an opponent as falco's blaster - and even then it's a close call there. But Peach has almost the best recovery in the game, the earlier mentioned bombass priority, floatcanceling, the ability to chainthrow several of the characters immediately around her in the tiers, ridiculous edgeguarding capabilities, and arguably the best smash move in the game. Up against this we have a small speed edge, a slightly better projectile, an admittedly ridiculous spike, shine combos, and the worst recovery in the game.

I mean, I like and play both characters, and my falco is better than my peach, I admit (though I'm not really at a high enough level for that to really matter anyways). But it just seems like Peach has a lot more in her favor than falco. I mean, when I'm looking in the different character specific forums and I see the "Who counters _______" threads, there's almost always an arguement for Peach that ranges from at least convincing to painfully apparent. I've seen one for Falco in the Captain/Dorf forums, and that's it (though admittedly, if I frequented the DK forum and a few others I'd probably see a few more).

I ask this as a noob wanting to be educated here. In the face of all this stuff, how is falco higher in the tiers?

[D'oH]

Ha, Wife's awesome meter just went up.

But anyone who saw Mike G vs Mr Silver at MOAST knows that Peach isn't slow; Mike's Peach is FASTER than Silver's Fox.

Oh, and you forgot her superwavedash. That's definately cheap.

[stilettotrap]

Falco can afford to abuse his projectile game against any character... when playing as Peach, an aggressive opponent will leave very little time for her to pull turnips. Falco is much better at controlling the pace of the match.

Falco is also better than almost every character other character (including Peach, but not Fox) at abusing shields. A really good Falco will probably never be punished on block unless he screws up an fsmash...

[Mikey Lenetia]

True, but there is also the fact that if a Peach knows what the heck she's doing, she will very commonly not be punished out of a shield. Admitted there are some moves that'll get ya punished no matter what when blocked(I'm looking at YOU, dash attack!), if you do a float-cancelled attack, just start the slapping, and you'll avoid the shieldgrab AND open them up!

And she's also a character that can take on ANYONE and have a potential to win. There are a handful of times where it isn't good to be Fox or Marth. We won't touch Sheik, the ***** that she is and all the STDs she probably has, since she DEFINITELY deserves to be in top tier. I honestly think Peach is tied with her for the *****-factor.

[Yuna]

However, Flaco is extremely stage dependent. Peach is not (at least not to that extent). She might not like small stages with small boundaries, but she will still do well on them.

She can always choose Dreamland64 as a means to live forever (<--- 250% for me). Flaco has no real counterpick stages. Possibly FD for it's size, but against Peach, no.

Peach can live almost forever with proper DI. In an FFA, I managed to (with the same stock) survive Link's swordplant (dair) at 140% (somehow), then (with the same stock) survive a tipper at around 160%. Now, the tipper hit me when around the middle of the stage, so that's not as big as the swordplant >_>'.

Not only that, her dsmash is the bane of all CC:ers and most of the entire tierlist's top. It's the bane of Captain Falcon, Flaco, Fox, (and to a lesser extent) DK and Bowser. She can chainthrow Fox, Flaco and Captain Falcon. She can even uthrow them into an uair, killing at least Fox and Falco at ridiculously low percents. Her usmash's sweetspot does 19% and can kill Jigglypuff around 40%, her fsmash (tennis raquet, I choose you!) will screw with most recoveries so much that if coupled with edgehogging, the lag after getting hit by it will be so big that half of the entire roster will face certain death (Fox, Sheik, Marth, Falco, Captain Falcon, Ganondorf, Mario, Doctor Mario, Luigi, etc.). If they try to recover from around her head, sweetspotting the usmash will kill them at ridiculously low %s. Heck, they'll die at low %s even if it's not a real sweetspot.

Not to mention using her dsmash to edgeguard people coming from below. Even if they manage to tech it, they're still helpless. If Marth ftilts and is unlucky, he'll get sucked in and CC the dsmash. Ganondorf's Wizard's foot will get sucked in as well!

Her nair, fair and bair have high priority, close to ridiculous. Her bair can eat through anything in the game, even Samus' charge shot. Dunno if her fair can, never tried. Too risky.

If she pulls a beamsword, proper spacing will win the match unless the opponent is someone with spammable projectiles. Why? Her beamsword is longer than Marth's Falchion!

Her projectiles might be slower than Flaco's, but Flaco can't pull a grandfather blaster or bob-blast. Also, any smart anyone would powershield those blastershots frequently.

However, even if Peach compared to Flaco, Marth, Fox, and even Sheik are very close, I still believe Peach is at least better than Flaco.

And yes, you CAN play a ridiculously fast Peach. Some matches I manage to do this. Watch any recent Mike G. vid (are there even any old ones out there?) and you'll see a Peach who can outspeed Foxes, Sheiks, Marths and Flacos.

[Smashbros]

lol, MY peach is faster than silvers fox >_>

[Yuna]

I forgot to mention that the stage where I survived the swordplant at 140% and the tipper at 160% WASN'T Dreamland 64. In fact, it was Pokémon Stadium o_O. I was accused of cheating somehow XD.

[Varuna]

Wow you must be excellent at DI.

[Yuna]

It's a mixture of reflexes, abusing the controller, usage of Toad and pure dumb luck ^_^. I have no idea of how I can survive for as long as I do sometimes (then when I'm not prepared and screw up, I die from a tipper at 78% or something XD)

[About Linus]

Peach is awesome. I play her as one of my mains.

But she isn't top teir because ... well ... there are so many people better than her. Fox, Marth, and Sheik - all top teir of course - are better than her by a lot. That's not to say Peach cannot win, of course. But generally what I see is that people who are insanely good with Fox and Sheik (these two characters primarily) defeat a greater breadth of characters (insanely good Peaches included).

Peach seems good because she can get EXTREMELY lucky with her skillset. For example, her down smash (obviously) can deal massive damage if the person she is fighting gets caught up in it (or for some reason crouch cancels). And of course, she can turn the tides of a match with a lucky down+b. But these are not things you can rely on in a significantly large number of matches.

Fox and Sheik are better because their speed and recovery times are much superior. Fox has shine combos and Sheik has access to needles and countless other things. Marth has better range.

Peach can, of course, compete with any of these characters ... I just don't think she can do so reliably. I really comes down to the players. I think that all things being equal (this is of course an unrealistic, theoretical situation), the Peach loses.

There are so many good Foxes and Sheiks out there.

[Mikey Lenetia]

Actually, I think it's more about momentum and how much you know the OTHER character. Like I said, with the exception of Sheik, Peach is the only character that can reliably take on anyone and have a chance to win. That's what I've found, at least.

Once someone gets momentum going, it's hard to stop them. That is another thing Peach has going for her. She can swing the momentum in her favor at any time in the match. If she gets one opening, just one, an insanely good Peach will capitalize and take over the match. So, really, it does come down to the player and who they're facing, but it also has to do with momentum and opportunities(and if they take said moments to their fullest extent).

[Yuna]

The thing with Peach is that she has no real counter. Flaco can be a pain in the ***, but he is that to any char. Samus is a *****, but the same goes for her.

Much like Sheik, there are no character who completely destroy Peach or are significantly better than her. Flaco has, well, Peach in a way. Marth has, I dunno. Fox has... well, Peach as well. That matchup is so close, whoever infinites the most/chainthrows the most will decide the outcome XD.

And it's not that we rely on her "lucky" skillset. Sure, we CAN get lucky sometimes and turn the tide. But a good Peach should be able to win in an equal skill match regardless of lucky strikes or not.

Of course, getting the legendary 3 stitchfaces in a row (I once also got bob-omb -> turnip -> stitchface -> stitchface -> beam sword) WILL probably turn the tide of the game, but a stray stitchface isn't a sure win. Or even a bob-omb.

However, it's fun to duel it out against Marth with a beam sword (TIP: Peach's beam sword is longer than Marth's sword).

[ANTX]

i heard marf was a good counter, but everytime i play marf against peach, i don't do "counterly" well...
stupid peach.

[About Linus]

Yeah, I definitely agree Peach can be better than any other character for you personally if she is who you are most comfortable with. This does of course go for any character though.

The reason I don't think she belongs in top teir is just because Fox, Marth, and Sheik are so much better.

Nevertheless I will still play her in tournaments. ;)

[EVIL_Peach18]

^_^

[HugS]

Quiet evil peach...who are you? Don't post on topics you know nothing about! Christ...

^ Thats exactly the reason why peach should stay where she is.

Sorry...just getting into my "2 cool for school" attitude.

Peach actually would deserve top tier if it wasn't for her horrible up smash, downsmash, turnips, zombie turnips, beam swords, bombs, recovery, floatiness, umbrella, priority, floating, float cancelling, forward throw, and edgeguarding.

The only thing she has going for her is her up tilt.

I still think that her uptilt is enough to put her into the Top Tier though. Wife is right.
:)

[Wife]

**** you hugs, **** you and your ****ing patronizing attitude. go **** yourself






...........I love the up-tilt :(

[AlphaZealot]

Well I think Peach should be Top tier, cause she always pulls out the right weapons for the right situation, she will use the skillet to hit em over the top, tennis racket for side KO, and well the golf club sucks but she has a sexy swing so that makes up for it.

I'd also say hitting someone with a bomber has to be the most satifying thing in all the game...well mabye right behind hitting them with falcon punch.

[HugS]

Yeah..there is no doubt in my mind that peach deserves top tier.

Marth who???

MBR shall listen.

haha...Sorry wife :( :crazy:

[Unrefined]

Wife said it best, cant l-cancel and what not but still wins, because peach is soo good that she wins matches for people, you watch alot of peach players and they dont bounce around like a friggin animal on crack (fox/falco) she just plays with her turnips and out prioritizes the hell out of you, you could play blindfolded and win with peach most of the time, she wins the matches. A person with average skillz can beat someone who is pretty good just by using peach in the way peach is meant to be used, she should be top tier. I have alot of trouble with Peach, but she is a known Yoshi counter, but i dont care about that, if someone picks peach, I'll pick Yoshi anyway ^^

[Yuna]

All of you who can access the MBR, vote Peach for 4th place now! Or if you dare, Peach for Top tier! :P

[Mikey Lenetia]

A link would be nice. :/

[Yuna]

The MBR is the Melee back Room. If you can't access it, a link would be worthless.

[Neo-Dragoon]

As much as I like peach, I find there are a few things the 4 above her have in the current tier list that will always keep them just -slightly- above her in general.

A big one is ease of use KO moves. Sheik has crazy speed and nasty setups for her KOs... Marth, while actually a bit difficult to get KOs without an edge game, seems to make up for it just in sheer pain in the *** factor to get around that sword. He wins by attrition quite often.... Fox in the right hands is just sick and can KO or set up KOs pretty well... and Falco just has an almost broken amount of high knockback moves that can be done skillfully from shb or shine set ups.


Even at 150%, Peach is much harder pressed to land a KO move then any of those characters against the majority of the cast. Heck... in the right opportunity any of the top four set up or flat out KO with a most of their air moves, a tilt, or their smashes... While peach's tilts, smashes, and to a almost too close to call extend, her air game just... don't quite compare.


Unless someone represents Peach and starts destroying the top 4 at tournaments, along with any other character... I just don't think she'll make it into a top spot when we're talking meta game.

[HugS]

It seemed to me that peach had a lot of KO moves. I just don't see what you are saying Dragoon...forgive me if im wrong though.
Her *** is deadly

[RyokoYaksa]

Peach has more KO options than most characters. However, none of them are really as crushing as say, Fox's usmash or Zelda's magic toe. The only thing Peach has to that power is her sweetspotted usmash, but that's way too hard to hit with to really add it into the mix. Peach relies a lot more on skillful edgeguarding to get her low% KOs.