why doesn't anyone play bowser?

[Muonic]

look at this forum and then go to mario's ,sheik's or fox's forum....

Now how is bowser's metagame going to be refined to level of say fox's?

Then you say a unrefined bowser sucks against a refined shiek?


Go look for yourself. look. How many people are here and how many people are a say samus's of peach's forum...

Look at all the scrubby tier whores hahaha. Just like shoryuken.com.
But smaller and less traffic.

SWF=tier ***** heaven

Scrub Tier=political favorite/Easiest to use.
REAL Tier =statistical/move set superiority.(a character may be demanding to use but has a moveset advantage over most)

[PXTalon2000]

Muonic... You don't understand how stupid your posts are. Look at you. Suddenly, you appear in a large, established community, amass a 30+ post count, whuppee, and you go around talking like you know all about the way we play. I'll bet you've never been to a respectable smash tournament.

I'm going to try the best I can to say all this without attacking ad hominem, however I am annoyed by your posts, and am for this reason inclined to not like you.

You just don't think anything's been figured out, huh? You think that all these years we've just let our "lower tiers" stay low-tiered because we just haven't explored them? You must be an uninformed fool. Low tier characters don't get as much play as higher tiered characters for this reason: they don't win tournaments. And if you think nobody's tried and nobody's trying, you're completely wrong.

It doesn't look like you know a thing about Smash, or the way the tier list was decided. Remember that time you made that stupid post in the Luigi forum about fireballs stopping fsmashes, like Shiek's? And then a mod laughed at you for suggesting that Shiek's fsmash was one of Luigi's problems, when in reality the move sucks? (the mod laughed at you on a separate occasion at which you made the same worthless claim). And remember that time you said Mewtwo counters Marth? I think you were being serious about that stuff; you couldn't have been being sarcastic; it's just too consistent.
You don't know crap about smash.

For one thing, nobody has claimed that the tier list is without fault. The tier list was not designed by a bunch of idiots; it was designed by a community of people who know more about the game than you do. And the only claim it takes to accuracy is that it ranks the approximate formidability of a character in the current metagame (the game played at its current highest level, which may change along with the tier list). That's far from an inerrant dogma. Heck, the tier list does not even claim to contain information relevant to determining the expected outcome ratio of individual character matchups ceteris paribus. Don't tell us we haven't developed our game enough to know crap! Good grief, shut up and go carry a low tier through a tournament and prove to us how good a Bowser can be.
Luke plays Bowser. He does well in tournaments. But he admits that he can't win mindgames on a 50-1 ratio against a Shiek who is as smart a player as he, which is exactly what he'd need to do to win, since for every mistake Bowser makes, he is in danger of losing a stock, or taking a minimal 50% damage.

The tier list is not a bloody popularity contest. You should shut up about it because you don't know a thing about it. If you don't like it go out, win matches, and change it. Until then stop thinking you can shove your weight around a community whose time you've wasted in every one of your posts. You talk like one of those [fools] who tells America that "capitalism corrupts" when he can neither defend his stance mathematically, comprehend the opposing stance mathematically, or even produce significant evidence to support his ludicrous and stupid claim. Don't think me a tier ***** or a sell out or any such thing you've deluded yourself into believing everyone else is. And don't think I'm mean 'cuz I'm trying to explain this to you for your good. Just hush up and learn stuff.

[GrabfestBowser]

Indeed

Luke

[Muonic]

I know more than you.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
pwned!

listen friend you are young and I don't want to traumatize you before your first day of school. So listen to me son I am older than you and I know something about $h1t.

Bowser should be at least mid tier.He's slow woopty-doo learn something called timing and shield-grabbing should erase that weakness.

Tier= popularity
You=me
Me=alien brain on PCP

[JesusFreak]

You need to be slapped. So does your mother.

[Amorasaki]

being older doesn't really carry a lot of weight on these boards if you're being dominated in an argument.

EDIT:

haha at the statement below :chuckle:
Not ONLY did you make a completely irrevelant post that seemed like an accidental reply to the wrong thread, but it's not even in the right ROOM. XD

[Muonic]

and better than Shiek

[PXTalon2000]

I figure it's not possible to get you to listen to me (or understand me at any rate). So instead I will attempt to use your groundless overconfidence to attain pecuniary benefit for myself or another, and simultaneously demonstrate for you how absolutely retarded everything you've claimed is. Ready?

Muonic, would you bet $30 on it? Where do you live?

If you don't live near me I'm sure it would be easy to find someone who would gladly several-stock your Luigi for a reward of that magnitude. You seem pretty confident that Luigi inherently beats Doc, Shiek and Mario.. You're also the only Luigi who thinks so (unless you don't play Luigi, which would be believable and rather embarrassing). I don't; and I don't seriously play Marios or Shiek, but I'll be glad to beat you. So put some money up. Make it $40 even. I'll beat you or someone else will.

Oooo! I'll even do it for $50 if you *actually know how old I am*. Serious. This is your chance to get paid for your hideously presented theories; don't miss out!

You suck at arguing... and you can't prove me wrong. If you tried you'd say something that humiliates you (for instance "pwned" "I'm older than you" "I know for a fact that..."). But one only expects that from someone who denies outright fact. *.*

[CAOTIC]

I play Bowser. I am someone. Case closed.

[Muonic]

is bowser your main?

IS BOWSER ANYONE'S MAIN!!!!!!

he is such a cool character along with mewtwo why don't people play them they are good.

[CAOTIC]

Bowser is my main along with Falco, and I use both according to how much worser off Bowser has it in a character matchup.

If I had to face say, a Sheik, Samus, or Captain Falcon, theres just no chance for Bowser to win against a decent player, so Falco's more for that job.

My Bowser can handle very good Marths, Roys, Links, Peaches, so I'd rather play Bowser in that instance (for fun) =]
If I know a match is winnable with Bowser, then I'd gamble and choose him. If I lose, I gain the experience. Also, I'd rather win with a character like Bowser than be a top-tier sellout.

I only just found out about Bowser being uber, so in time I've been playing him alot more than the blue bird. In time, I hope he'll become my sole main, despite all of the negatives. He is sooooo awesome, he reeks of cool, and the personal gratifications for winning is much greater than being a Sheik *****. I admit I'm finding it hard to expand on Bowser (he seems very limited), but hopefully alot of my opponents will fall into the 'unknown character' trap or underestimate him. Then I let them have it >=]

PS - Mewtwo is the coolest, but I can't handle his feel and style. I wish I could.

....... O_o you're banned?! Oh well, at least you can read this. ^^

[Zarelid]

this is effing retarded, everyone video game has tier whores Bowser sucks everyone knows it someones gotta be bottom tier and it's bowser. so now you come in here flaming everyone saying you know ****, well if you know ANYTHING about smash, you'd know bowser isn't that good. the people who play him are good. you have to take in consideration on what every move can do how fast they are etc..... to make em on tiers. in fact Bowsers L canceling sucks worse then any character in the game. like when he L cancels it can be shield grabbed with EASE! and Bowsers got the slowest jump in the game, he's also the biggest most easiest to hit in the game. along with other down falls, it is a fact Bowser has more downfalls then advantages, making him lower then mid on the tier list. that alone proves you don't know ****.

[Gojira]

Now i cant really say much becuase i have not won tourneys out of Utah. but i have placed 3-1 Multple times with Falco and bowser
so untill i expand and play in say texas or nevada i say im not that bad with bowser. But if my bowser is beat i use falco thats how i work. Yes i have debated about bowser saying he does not suck but, i guess im not playing top people here....... anywho nomatter what anyone says bowser will be a top tier for my heart.

[Thomas Tipman]

its not that bowser sucks bad its just that mistakes cost more when you do them with him. against a good player that knows whats they are doing bowser is often just out of luck.

[GrabfestBowser]

Nothing is luck when you are using Bowser, it's complete and utter skill

Luke

[Hoefler]

Originally posted by GrabfestBowser
Nothing is luck when you are using Bowser, it's complete and utter skill

Luke

Depending on situations, I'm sorry to say, luck is actually a factor.

Nice try at being a Bowser philosopher. :p

[GrabfestBowser]

There's no trying at all... it's just fact. Does he have a single spammable move? No. Does he have a single high priority move that you can rely on to cause a lot of damage? No. A sex kick? No. A projectile? No. A smash that is even close to worthwhile? No. Bowser is a complete and utter mindgame. He's the easiest character in the game to grab, edgeguard, and hit with projectiles. No such luck.

Luke

[Thomas Tipman]

his foward and downsmash look almost the same while charging up, ive had friends roll into a downsmash thinking it was a foward smash. out of luck was more of an expresssion, no way in hell is bowser gonna beat a high level puff or sheik unless your at a higher level then them by a alot.

[HoChiMinhTrail]

thx tipman for the info that we already know heh.

[Hoefler]

Hey, I think it's time for you to cool down Trail. No need to bash him; he's merely speaking his mind.

Thanks Tipman. You're an asset.

[HoChiMinhTrail]

Uncalled for 311, we just dont have all this gas to be throwin around here.

[Gojira]

Those two smash attacks do look simular. Yet if you are playing a pro they will identify the difference easily. Although they may fall for it IF and this is a big IF, you keep them on the edge of the match then quickly pull it out. Even if you do that they may still notice and roll dodge and attack during bowsers cooldown.

[Aurora Grid]

I find that Bowser isn't nearly as bad as people say he is, recently I picked up the King of Koopas and found he's pretty badass. Alot of people are put off by Bowser's slowness and difficult style, but when you put the effort in you can come away with an effective killing machine. Bowser is all about power and mindgames, go aerial when you can and save the smashes for when your opponent leaves him/herself open. I find that aerial forwards and the forwards tilt are good advancing moves, and the flamethrower works if your opponent tries to charge you.

Lots of us are put off when they can't win with Bowser, but he's just one of those characters that takes practice to be good with. I use Bowser often and he is one of those characters that is worth mastering. There are faster and more manuverable characters out there, but once you start to win with Bowser you'll put some fear into those Sheiks and Marths! :D

Perhaps Bowser's greatest strength is that so many people think he sucks. If you go into battle against someone who thinks Bowser sucks, they may underestimate you and pay for it when you start to show off your Bowser skills. Get to know your Bowser and learn all of his tricks, then you'll show the naysayers! :)

[Gojira]

Yes. I really dont think I have played any pros at this game. I averag 3rd place with Bowsers counting all the official and home tournies I have. So untill i expand my game and say i play Luke or Trail's Bowser i wont say im the worst or the best.

[MagnuM]

Try aiming the Koopa Knuckle up and down and wherever... luv dat move!

[GrabfestBowser]

Originally posted by Aurora Grid...

There are faster and more manuverable characters out there, but once you start to win with Bowser you'll put some fear into those Sheiks and Marths!

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Insert the word "sucky" or "not so good" or something along those lines before the word "Sheiks."

Luke

[Legion19]

Bowser doesn't dominate the field because in one-on-one battles, faster, more maneuverable characters are going to dance circles around him while he's trying to place a good on them, making him, maybe not useless, but less effective. However, try teaming him up with a faster character in team melee, and you'd see how much more effective he can be. I'm no Bowser pro personally, but I do like his style.

[Thomas Tipman]

Originally posted by Aurora Grid...

There are faster and more manuverable characters out there, but once you start to win with Bowser you'll put some fear into those Sheiks and Marths!

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LOL, dont lie to yourself you know marth with fair combo you into a tipper with no problems. bowser is good but not without flaws and unfortunetly his flaws have alot of weight. he puts fear into pichu, mewtwo, and maybe G&W but bowser usually needs to be levels above your opponent to pull in victories.

[AcerBandit]

Wow, I'm amazed at all the Bowser praise. It is true about him being all skill though. You have to use skill or you'll be killed instantly with the guy.

What's nice about Bowser is not so much winning with him but knowing you played a good match with him. I think it's more gratifying than playing as any other character. Plus, people just love to fight against him. They think he's the coolest and funniest character ever. I firmly believe that when the smashing turns sour then Bowser can turn things right again. At least that's been my experience. :)

[The_Krumber]

Originally posted by PXTalon2000
I figure it's not possible to get you to listen to me (or understand me at any rate). So instead I will attempt to use your groundless overconfidence to attain pecuniary benefit for myself or another, and simultaneously demonstrate for you how absolutely retarded everything you've claimed is. Ready?

Muonic, would you bet $30 on it? Where do you live?

If you don't live near me I'm sure it would be easy to find someone who would gladly several-stock your Luigi for a reward of that magnitude. You seem pretty confident that Luigi inherently beats Doc, Shiek and Mario.. You're also the only Luigi who thinks so (unless you don't play Luigi, which would be believable and rather embarrassing). I don't; and I don't seriously play Marios or Shiek, but I'll be glad to beat you. So put some money up. Make it $40 even. I'll beat you or someone else will.

Oooo! I'll even do it for $50 if you *actually know how old I am*. Serious. This is your chance to get paid for your hideously presented theories; don't miss out!

You suck at arguing... and you can't prove me wrong. If you tried you'd say something that humiliates you (for instance "pwned" "I'm older than you" "I know for a fact that..."). But one only expects that from someone who denies outright fact. *.*


luigi, when played really well, can beat someone like doc....

but the way MORONIC posts his arguements demonstrates that he STILL can't get any1 to listen to him.

i think luke's bowser could 4-stock MORONIC any day