Mewtwo Counters Marth

[Muonic]

why?mewtwo= cheapest character in the game. followed by Mr. has normal priority but always hits you before you hit him.... tipper Marth.

1)chargable projectile (No chopping marth)
2)wait for them to get close teleport+roll(if timed right) can get you a free win on final destination in timed matched. IT IS IMPOSSBLE TO WIN WITH ROY , MARTH, G&W , GANON, BOWSER,NESS, AND YOSHI= auto-win on final destination.
3)has two perfect priority attacks(confuse and disable)CAN CANCEL ANY ATTACK!
4)Way better recover both lateral and horizonal.
5)can teleport through an edgeguard

[MookieRah]

LOL. Is this is joke?

[AmishTechnology]

Even if that all were true, Marth is way too quick and has a sword.

[.:ßio§torm7:.]

Originally posted by Muonic
why?mewtwo= cheapest character in the game. followed by Mr. has normal priority but always hits you before you hit him.... tipper Marth.

1)chargable projectile (No chopping marth)
2)wait for them to get close teleport+roll(if timed right) can get you a free win on final destination in timed matched. IT IS IMPOSSBLE TO WIN WITH ROY , MARTH, G&W , GANON, BOWSER,NESS, AND YOSHI= auto-win on final destination.
3)has two perfect priority attacks(confuse and disable)CAN CANCEL ANY ATTACK!
4)Way better recover both lateral and horizonal.
5)can teleport through an edgeguard

Either you play against a low lvl comp or a really stupid human player....

[kaid]

Muonic seems to be in the same situation opponent-wise as I am, (I have won timed FFAs as M2) but doesn't seem to realize it.

My standard test of smash noobness is as follows:

Muonic, have you ever heard the terms "Wavedash" "Dashdance" or "Shffl"?

On another topic, do I assume correctly that 'DJC' is crouch-jumpcancel?

[NJE789]

..then why'd there be a D instead of a C?

I'm pretty sure it's double jump cancel.


..Muonic- you're new here, and perhaps it's best you try reading, moreso than posting, about Mewtwo for a while..

..not that you probably haven't already been enlisted in the Forever Melee Back-Room-Banned Club(donations pending).

..welcome to our club! ..We've been expecting you! ....Hoohee-HAhe-he-haa!

[Umbreon]

sure. just don't get hit by a KO move. shield everything and be careful and you'll only die to upthrow in the 200% range.

[Muonic]

I've played this game since it came out and have played tuornement worthy players(thomas is **** good with cheapo marth!)

Mewtwo vs. Marth=free win on final destination for Mewtwo If you use my tactic....

Mewtwo is the most cheapest character on this game.
2 perfect priority moves and a projectile with move priority than Samus' charged shot.

I have just noticed this......

Link is the best Defensive character on SSBM....

Another character I have been studying.

Roy is better than Marth on land.He's a powerhouse ON LAND(Roy has an infinite i discovered using Up-smash)

Marth is better than Roy in the air and for rush in game.

Shiek has the best rush in game and is very quick and fast...

Mario most balenced out(ie no REAL counter characters...maybe luigi or Roy if you use them right)

Offense
Luigi>Shiek

Luigi has a better pressure game
Shiek has a better projectile
Luigi has better recovery
Sheik can reset her jumps on transformation
Luigi has the 3rd most killer moves.(8.)
Sheik can run a lot faster
Luigi has a whole offensive arscenal made with using the WD
Shiek has the 4nd most priority projectiles next to Fox/falco's then G&W's oil panic.
Luigi has more set-ups for his combos and killers
Shiek has an inferior rush in game.(WD combos and set-ups>anything she has).

[JesusFreak]

LMFAO!!! You and AwdBall should fight it out for stupidest person on SWF. :rotfl:

[MetaKnight0]

"Mewtwo is the most cheapest character on this game.
2 perfect priority moves and a projectile with move priority than Samus' charged shot."

Get off the crack.

[Muonic]

mewtwo is just better than marth....just because noone plays him seriously and because of that doesn't get refined enough....YEAH! your going to suck with him not knowing how to use him....you suck....deal with it.....mewtwo takes REAL SKILL TO MASTER!.....and becomes better than most characters.....You know what, SHIEK SUCKS.....way too predictable.

[UndrDog]

whats the next tourny you'll be attending Muonic? I want to see a really good Mewtwo. I've never actually got to play against one.

[MookieRah]

mewtwo is just better than marth....just because noone plays him seriously and because of that doesn't get refined enough....

I take him seriously. He is one of my mains. He also has seen many a tourny already. I can tell you one thing, Marth counters M2, not the other way around.

1)chargable projectile (No chopping marth) - It's good, but it's generally slow and easy to avoid. You can use it occasionally to a great extent, but it's not super badass or anything.
2)wait for them to get close teleport+roll(if timed right) can get you a free win on final destination in timed matched. IT IS IMPOSSBLE TO WIN WITH ROY , MARTH, G&W , GANON, BOWSER,NESS, AND YOSHI= auto-win on final destination. - If timed right, the Marth, Roy, and Ganon (WIZARD FOOT XD) could hit you in the middle of your roll and screw you over. Besides, if your strategy is to get one hit in and run, I am pretty sure you would be DQed from a tourny as stalling tactics are generally not appreciated and only shows your poor skill in defeating your opponent.
3)has two perfect priority attacks(confuse and disable)CAN CANCEL ANY ATTACK! - Your opponent can hit you before M2 can recover from confuse. Disables hit box makes it hard to cancel EVERY attack
4)Way better recover both lateral and horizonal. - This is true.
5)can teleport through an edgeguard - This is also true.

Face it, Marth straight up rapes M2. That doesn't mean it's impossible for M2 (I win half of the matches against the marth player in my crew) but it isn't easy.

Anyone who says M2 is cheap needs their brain examined O_o.

[Muonic]

marth gets raped by mewtwo for free son.

You just didn't figure it out.

Mewtwo is the most cheapest character on this game.

[cHaNg-sTa]

Mewtwo is a horrible character. Absolutely no priority whatsoever. I love playing Mewtwo and all, but Drew always picks Marth when I play Mewtwo.. There's a reason why.. and it's not a fun match up.

[Buiji]

wow... this has to be one of the worst threads ever...mewtwo is considered one of the worst characters in the game for a reason...

i play both marth and mew2, and let me tell you, you are wrong in every sense possible, and i hope that this thread is a complete joke. basically disable and confuse are both outranged by marths d-tilt f-tilt f-smash fair and nair, and can be easily dodged by wding back, then forwards to grab...and tell me how u plan to beat a marth in the air? he outranges you everytime, and can combo mew2 like crazy due to floatiness... and you can go through the edge guards, but everyone knows that, so they just stand back, or approach in the air...oh and a marth player is just gonna rack up enough dmg to the point where recovering is out of the question, youre just gonna fly off the side with no chance to recover...good luck EVER making your statement tru

[.:ßio§torm7:.]

The only way an M2 player could "rape" a Marth or Roy is if the other player were sleep at the wheel. Its not that Mewtwo cant beat either character, its just that if both players are of equal skill the whole match will be a grim struggle for Mewtwo to survive while the Marth Player will be having a picnic. FFA is **** for Mewtwo because he is frail and almost all of his moves leave him open to attack in the mayhem. A win with Mewtwo will always be an uphill battle (Especially against Marth/Roy).

Sure, Mewtwo's attacks are powerful IF they land a hit. Both confuse and disable are slow or has a long cooldown, and are easily outranged/out prioritized by most other characters. Getting into range to pull off either move is risky because if you don’t land a hit you will get punished badly.

Shadow ball is a decent knock out move but as was mentioned earlier in the thread it’s slow as **** and easily avoidable.

Mewtwo absolutely sux in the air. Trying to battle Marth/Roy in the air with Mewtwo is suicide since u will be beaten in the range/priority department. Mewtwo's most damaging air attack (F-air) has ultra lousy range and requires you to practically be on top of you opponent to connect a hit (same problem with M2's N-air attack).

Mewtwo's smash moves are either slow or has a long cooldown. They also are outranged buy Marth's sword.

It’s funny that in all your raving about Mewtwo you failed to mention his killer grabs. Along with a great recovery this is one of the few things Mewtwo actually has going for him. But again the throws often screw over Mewtwo in FFA situations since they are relatively slow and you're very likely to be hit before you can finish performing them.

Mewtwo's attacks deal great damage but they are easy to avoid and often leave him open. Mewtwo's only hope against a good player (ESPECIALLY a good Marth player) is to try and capitalize on your opponent's mistakes.

The fact that you win against your friend's Marth so often is a good sign that he’s not a very good player. If Mewtwo wins a lot of FFA's its time to wake up the other players 'cause they're probably asleep at thier controllers. :p

[AmishTechnology]

Mewtwo does counter Marth.[/sarcasm]

[UndrDog]

This thread needs to stay open forever! [/more sarcasm] come on mods get on the ball! :chuckle:

[Jim Beam]

Mewtwo COMPLETELY COUNTERS MARTH!!!!!

Shield-grab+f-b+d-b+teleport+uair+tilts+running fair=kicking the blue haired chimp's poot(marth).

Just because you don't know how to play a character and get punished because doing so with them doesn't mean the character sucks. Problem explained, problem solved.

[MookieRah]

I like the retardness of this thread, it just keeps getting better and better.

Ok Jim Bean, aka Muonic #2, you just don't get it do you?

Explain to me one thing. What do you do when a Marth hits you with a fair, and proceeds to fair you across the stage? How do you get out of that?

You can't, Marth is too fast and the fairs prevent you from doing much of anything. It eats you alive so fast it's retarded. There isn't much M2 can do against it, cause it outranges and out-prioritizes all of his aerials and most of his attacks. Sure, M2 can mess up Marth if he gets a hit in. Perhaps from a dtilt he can get in a couple of fairs and perhaps lead into an up-air. A nice lil combo with good percent, but you can't kill him in one combo or consistently screw him over in one combo, which is what Marth has the potential of doing to M2. Not to mention that it is MUCH easier for Marth to land a combo on M2 than the other way around.

Marth has an insane advantage in this matchup. There is no denying it. People who do don't know what they are talking about. This is probably the hugest counter in SSBM. I can't think of one that comes close to Marth vs M2. The only one that comes to mind is perhaps Samus vs M2.

You come to these boards and post a bunch of nonsense. How many tournies have you been to, non-local that is? Apparently you haven't been to many, or if you have you didn't do well enough to get recognized on the boards. So why should we even consider your views on this matchup? You have no clout, and what you are saying is bull****. You claim that EVERYONE else on the boards don't know how to play M2 and that you are the only one who can. What kind of bull**** is that? Do you have any idea how many people think you are an idiot?

Lemme break down your last post and show you all the flaws with it.

Shield-grab+f-b+d-b+teleport+uair+tilts+running fair

First off the shield grab. Shield grabbing is good, and works on lower levels very easily, but the advanced players know ways around it. The Marth could simply fair outside M2's grabrange. If you rely on shield grabbing then it would be a good strat, because after you shield his attack and then grab he will have time to land and take advantage of M2's slow grab and start a new attack, more than likely a string of fairs. He could also simply dodge after he lands. He he waits long enough to use the fair he will have time to l-cancel and dodge before M2 can grab. Once again, it leaves Marth open for an attack. He would probably go for a grab of his own, and from there it can go to a lot of things. There are SOO many ways out of it for Marth cause he is so good. It still is possible to shield grab, but that is just some of the things you have to keep in mind in high level play.

Heh, the forward B. You do know that Marth can recover from this move faster than you can right? Go ahead, try that on a Marth that knows what he is doing. I only use this move if my opponent is camping the ledge, it's good for slowing them down enough for me to teleport back up and grab it, and I wouldn't even bother trying that on Marth because I could get forward smashed.

Disable, a very akward move, but is great every now and then. Not so great against Marth though, because he can outrange it like crazy. Also, he has to be facing you or it won't even work. If they are coming from the air it just knocks them on the ground, which isn't a bad thing, but it more than likely wouldn't happen with Marth too often because if he spaces properly it wouldn't hit him.

Teleport is good for coming back on the stage, and depending on the stage it's good to teleport away, although I rarely do so. It's not like you can get away from marth by simply teleporting everywhere. There is enough lag from it that Marth can catch up to you and f-smash. Especially if you are retarded to do it all the time, which is something I remember you saying to do in a different thread.

Uair is actually really good. Prolly the only thing here that I would try for. Trying to attack Marth from the front or the back is just asking for death, your best bet is to come from underneath. Even still, he has the advantage due to his dair, but it's not quick like the fair which makes it less devastating.

Tilts are good too. Dtilt is your best bet, cause it sets up into combos. This is one of the few ways I can land a hit on a Marth. I sometimes get lucky and take advantage of his mistake of allowing me to get close enough to land one.

Running fair? Why running necessarily? Fair in general is just straight up badass. It's M2's high damaging and premier combo move. If you get a chance to use it on Marth then you better do it cause it doesn't come along very often. Also, try instant DJCed fairs from shield, that will get em a lot.

The best chance a M2 would have is probably on a platform stage like battlefield, where the stage is really close together and at least allows you the option of coming at him from below with a nair which might lead into a combo. It gives you more options and can sometimes prevent him from doing nasty things that he could get away with without a platform above you. You also have the option of teleporting onto the platforms to prevent edgeguarding. Even still, Marth's range allows him to f-smash and hit you from below, which would more than likely go straight through your shield and cause your immediate death.

My suggestion on facing a competant Marth on FD is to pray to your diety of choice, cause you will definitely need all the help you can get.

Please man. Do yourself a favor and just read the boards for a while. Realize that the people you play in your hometown are nothing like the people who are experts at the game. You may have been playing this game since it came out, but you haven't been attending tournies and reading up on all of the knowledge on the game since it came out, and for that matter it seems you haven't read or tried to learn much at all.

[.:ßio§torm7:.]

Originally posted by Jim Beam
Mewtwo COMPLETELY COUNTERS MARTH!!!!!

Shield-grab+f-b+d-b+teleport+uair+tilts+running fair=kicking the blue haired chimp's poot(marth).

Just because you don't know how to play a character and get punished because doing so with them doesn't mean the character sucks. Problem explained, problem solved.


Judging from this particular style of ranting and raving it would seem that ol' Jimmy here is a reincarnation of our friend Muonic who was just banned recently....

*cough*ban!*cough*

[Jim Beam]

Let me key this so you can understand........................................ .................................................. ........................
MEWTWO IS NOT AN UPCLOSE CHARACTER!!!!!!!!
Upclose is marth's game not mewtwo.
Marth is too quick and has too much range he will beat you UP CLOSE!
Far away he doesn't have anything,nothing to attack you with.
This is advantage mewtwo. You can't just darkball all day. no. You wait and counter or teleport. This forces marth to come to you instead of you coming to him.


If you play a marth game by a slower,less ranged character you are going to lose.Play mewtwo's game not marth's game.

[.:ßio§torm7:.]

Originally posted by Jim Beam
Let me key this so you can understand........................................ .................................................. ........................
MEWTWO IS NOT AN UPCLOSE CHARACTER!!!!!!!!
Upclose is marth's game not mewtwo.
Marth is too quick and has too much range he will beat you UP CLOSE!
Far away he doesn't have anything,nothing to attack you with.
This is advantage mewtwo. You can't just darkball all day. no. You wait and counter or teleport. This forces marth to come to you instead of you coming to him.


If you play a marth game by a slower,less ranged character you are going to lose.Play mewtwo's game not marth's game.

Riiiight....

Look, when you can win a professional level tournament by doing nothing but spamming shadow ball, then you can talk. Until then stop embarrassing yourself and shut up.

[Kami]

As much as I would like to see a M2 beat a Marth at a high level, it just isn't going to happen. Just like I'm not going to be able to punch this noob in the face from my side of the intarweb.

On topic, it's not like it matters, because anyone who picks M2 to "counter" Marth after they lose round 1 is going to be laughed out of the tournament.

[VilNess]

Originally posted by MookieRah

Ok Jim Bean, aka Muonic #2, you just don't get it do you?



If I didn´t have such a cool banner I´d include this statement here :D
really, I cracked up a bit!

[Jim Beam]

let me explian this to without blowing your feeble mind...............
................YOU----CAN'T----SPAM----DARKBALLS----AGAINST----MARTH

OK. Did you get that? Let me type this again but slower.
YOU---------------------------------------------------------------------
CAN'T-----------------------------------------------------------------
SPAM----------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------
DARKBALLS----
-------------------------AGAINST MARTH.

You stay away from him with the teleport and f-smash,d-b,grab,d-smash,or f-tilt him when he comes in.Mewtwo is a "far away mindgame/baiter character.

Get used to it Mewtwo DOES NOT SUCK AND YOU CAN'T GRASP THAT .
Why do you want mewtwo to suck so bad even though he doesn't.........................*cough*biased against pokemon and unrealistic characters and slow characters in general that require timing and patience *cough*

Shiek and Fox are waaaaaaaaaaaay overrated. But no ones going to defend Bowser or Mewtwo or Geedubya because most of the Smash community are conformist sheep that can't think for themselfs and repeat anything the tourney fighters say instead of testing themselves and having an independant opinion apart for what the SSBM trendy scrubs tells them to.

Have you ever played Dan Hibiki? You know the guy in the pink judo outfit with the ponytail and taunts a lot in the Streetfighter series.Capcom didn't even try to make this character at least good .Capcom wanted to make fun of Ryo from SNK's Art of Fighting Series that copied ken and ryu 's "look" and attacks.Dan is the worst fighter character ever made in history.He sucked. Low priority, extremely short ranged slow fireball,Slow in general,Awful recovery. he even had a move that took half of him life when he tried to attack you with this super grab!

Now Hal labs or Nintendo is not Capcom to "willingly" make characters suck. Mewtwo is not a Dan and neither is Bowser.Capcom wanted Dan to suck for players to embarrass thier opponent
Sad he had the most character of all the fighters.

Mewtwo is not a Dan.No one plays him seriously enough see his full potiential but shiek or Fox has hundreds of posters researching them no wonder they do better in tourneys..................THEY HAVE MORE TECHS,STRATS, AND RESEARCH PUT INTO THEM!!!!!!!!!!!

Trendy Scrub:anyone will low mobility and quickness sucks.
Joe Knows-what- He's-talking-about:But all that is subjective to the style of play you choose that particularly optimizes the strengths vs. weaknesses of a character.
Trendy Scrub:(insert stock insult/cop out statement) I Know how to play every charcter perfectly and properly because I know everything there is to know including all the techs in ssbm because I listen to pros that automatically know everything about SSBM so I am automatically right by default.
Joe Knows-what- He's-talking-about:what? Thats completely biased for your style of play and its politically prejudiced for opposing theories of play and styles that redefine a character's metagame.Tiers are biased for a popular style of play and the most polished metagame even though some characters are played a lot more than others.
Trendy Scrub: What the pros say are right by default.(insert patronizing remark/cop out/insulting elitist rhetoric)
Joe Knows-what- He's-talking-about:Why can't you think for yourself and stop trusting complete strangers to tell you who is good and who is not.
Trendy Scrub:But they are PROS and they know the game better than me.
Joe Knows-what- He's-talking-about:Both of you play the same game.They are human just like us. Its not like they used work for Hal labs in creating the characters for SSBM then quit and became killer smashers knowing "secret mystery knowledge" about SSBM.
They are like us they can make mistakes and be misguided. They are NOT the official word on what is and is not HAL and Nintendo is.
1)They haven't coded a single string or compiler or compression algorhythme in the game engine much less know all there is to know about SSBM(he11 nintendo doesn't even know that!)
2)Popular styles do not dictate who is the best. Game engine overall stats do.
3) You cannot play all charcters the same way in thier best optimized style.
4)If you play a slow character against a quick character you will be at a disadvantage playing his style of play.Playing a "long range keep way game" character against a quick short ranged character they are in a disadvantage completely subjective to the style of play.
5)stop being a conformist drone to what ever pop opinion tells you what truth is. Form an independant opinion based on hard unbiased, serious, in depth research into a character's optimized play style.Then talk. Pros can lie,overlook,over glorify, and be wrong like and other human being. Saying that they can't makes you a complete @sskiss ballmaid.
6)Cory yes I am holier than thou thank you for asking If thats what you call having a functioning brain.

[PXTalon2000]

Gosh, Jim Beam, where you live? Money matches. Everyone should get in on this...

Or I could just explain... FwdB to utilt = dead Mewtwo at high%. Fair chain to spike = dead Mewtwo (Do you know what those are..?) from low %... Nair that leads into fair chain that leads into spike = dead Mewtwo... Fthrow to pivot fsmash = dead Mewtwo at mid%'s. (Oh yeah... Marth can... Grab Mewtwo?)

There is truth in the idea that Mewtwo can get away from Marth in the air with a teleport. He can also use disable to stall if you think dodging like that's a good idea. However, that assumes Marth is vaulting himself into the air, rather than keeping low and messing Mewtwo up with uairs and utilts, which do not have enough lag on them to let Mewtwo teleport safely from dash attack and grab.

I don't think this matchup is really *that* hopeless. I think Young Link is worse. Buuut... Best Mewtwo players we have do. And I'm sort of assuming that you're not good at this game by the way you present bad arguments about it.. It really proves a lack of experience on your part when you deny what seems obvious to any idiot who's been to a real tourney and paid attention.

Anyways, step it up and money match some Marths, like me (I don't actually play Marth seriously). You don't really need to money match, but I do want your money. My Marth sucks, really; but until proven wrong I don't need a good Marth to beat a scrubby Mewtwo. Then go beat, like, Ken or Husband or something at a tourney. They don't know anything about Mewtwo, right? Gosh, since there are so many moves in this game, who would think we roughly understand them? Should be to your advantage! Oh, and then play them in Mewtwo dittos, and lose again.

You obviously claim to know loads about our community, even though you make groundless assumptions about us (I needn't be specific... can be encapsulated by "everything you've said and implied about us above").

By the way, if you wanted to really talk about a character matchup, you would detail all the advantages Marth has over Mewtwo, and why they aren't enough. Very important to the process of debate.
Your entire last dialogue between you and the stance you've presumed of us is faulty, wrong and twisted in a good many ways.
Most the scrubs I've seen have just said dumb stuff like "Mewtwo is great vs. Marth, you all just don't know how he's supposed to be played. You're s'posta' teleport and play keep away" or something retarded like that. >.>

[cablepuff]

if jim beam was azen in disguise...it would be so hillarious. (when you guys money match him and lose to him)......

[MookieRah]

He tries to make it sound like nobody plays M2 seriously, when I went all M2 at MOAST. I turned a few heads, but other than that I didn't do too well. M2 sucks, but I love the dude, cause of that he is seriously one of my best characters. My skill has closed a lot of major gaps, and I am still a long way away from the likes of UmbreonMow and M2Matt. There are people who play M2 seriously dude, and they can kick a lot of *** doing it. Don't be so ignorant as to say that THEY don't know how to play M2 when they know what they are talking about. They have went to tournies and proved it, but you just rant from your computer.

[PXTalon2000]

Hei, Mookie, let's do a Mewtwo ditto next time we see, eh?

[Umbreon]

I agree with PXtalon, young link is worse than marth.....or right up there equally at the least.

The 5 Mewtwo no-no characters:

marth
y link
NESS < likely the worst
Zelda
Fox

[MookieRah]

Really!? I didn't have *that* much problem with Y. Link... I played Caveman's Y. Link and it was a relatively close match.

I would also think that CF would be up there as well, because his knee is just as bad as Zelda's fair/bair + he has massive mobility.

Samus is a ***** too O_o... Oro straight up raped the hell out of me, and I have trouble with merely decent Samus players with M2.

@PXTalon2000 Most definitelytantos yo. I wish that I revealed my M2 at Getting Schooled, cause I would have dittoed Azen. Now it looks like I won't get that chance >_<. I had no idea you played M2, or else I would have made sure to ditto yas with him back then as well.

[Sam347]

Originally posted by UmbreonMow
I agree with PXtalon, young link is worse than marth.....or right up there equally at the least.

The 5 Mewtwo no-no characters:

marth
y link
NESS < likely the worst
Zelda
Fox

Why do you think Ness is the worst to face M2? I have a lot more trouble with Marth than Ness, but, maybe I'm just not facing a decent Ness player.

[MetaKnight0]

Sparkles own Mewtwo.

[JesusFreak]

What happened to samus, Mow? And Sparkles own everybody. Mewtwo is actually luckier than most cuz he has sparkles of his own.

And Mookie, you went toe to toe with caveman's Y Link???:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[Rapid_Assassin]

why?mewtwo= cheapest character in the game. followed by Mr. has normal priority but always hits you before you hit him.... tipper Marth.

1)chargable projectile (No chopping marth)
2)wait for them to get close teleport+roll(if timed right) can get you a free win on final destination in timed matched. IT IS IMPOSSBLE TO WIN WITH ROY , MARTH, G&W , GANON, BOWSER,NESS, AND YOSHI= auto-win on final destination.
3)has two perfect priority attacks(confuse and disable)CAN CANCEL ANY ATTACK!
4)Way better recover both lateral and horizonal.
5)can teleport through an edgeguard

Huh? Mewtwo is 1 of my favorites, but no one in their right minds can call him the cheapest character in the game. Projectiles are good, but marth can just use his shield (unless he's a noob human player or low level computer). Then when Marth gets close to you, he can do a pretty good job attacking M2 because M2 is a large and slow target. Also, it's possilbe for other characters to win against you, especially if you spam the same moves repeatedly... M2 only counters computer and asleep/noob Marth players.

[JesusFreak]

Marth doesn't need his sheild, he can just whack at the SBs with his sword. Most characters can cancel out most projectile fairly easily. I love messing with fireball spamming Marios as Luigi by just WDing back and then f tilting the fireballs. :p even nuetral a works if you know how to time it.

[MookieRah]

And Mookie, you went toe to toe with caveman's Y Link???

Yeah, I only had one match with him, but I got him to his last stock with some decent percent on FD.

Samus is much more of a ***** than any of em to me, cept Marth.

[pronstarpwnzor]

Mewtwo does counter Marth... Check out this vid

S86-mikaelmewtwo-discmarth