Anti-Yoshi stuff... o.o

[PXTalon2000]

Perform an experiment for me, if you will. Against two Yoshis (Oro and Aho) with whom I've played recently, I've found something rather interesting. Bowser can almost entirely drown out Yoshi's game with the spamming of a few of the most unusual moves.

Downsmash. Spam this thing. It absorbs Yoshi's fair, dair and nair. It nails Yoshi whether he rolls or sidesteps from the shield. If Yoshi is coming towards the edge... Just charge this thing. WD.. airdodge... Attack coverage.. None of those will go through it.. After Yoshi is sans double jump, it's all a matter of landing the uair.

Klaw. Shorthop, then klaw smash attacks. No crouch canceling the klaw..

If you have flame cancel, this kind of hurts Yoshi as well. If Yoshi double jumps at any point during the flame cancel, he puts himself in air. The fortress is useful, as usual, in this fight, but some normally immoderate focus should be put on these three moves..

Now, first I would like for people to tell me what resources Yoshi has to get around them (for instance, lightshielding, using the B on a forward approach). But you'll probably notice that downsmash alone causes a great disturbance in Yoshi's game. And you may also find that what countermeasures Yoshi takes may become easily countered themselves. For instance, if Yoshi tries to space the aerials to take advantage of downsmash lag, it's not too hard to WD into downsmash and hit anyways.

You will likely find a surprising amount of success with this strategy.

[pkmvodka]

spamming the down smash will lead you to nowhere I believe. The yoshi could as well egg spam you from pretty far.

Closer in, djc aua can be troublesome to bowser, but nothing broken and impossible to stop.

You don't really need to do those to win, because using bowser as he should will still make you win I think. Bowser vs Yoshi is one of the few match that is easy for Bowser, because of crappy yoshi's recovery, low range aerials (compared to bowser), low priority (compared to bowser), no disjointed hitbox, and basically outclassed in power and weight. Yoshi isn't godly fast either.

my two cents

[UndrDog]

Fortress the Yoshi whenever they try to JCnAir. great prioity and the initail hit has good knockback. and as we all know, knockback isnt Yoshi's best friend.

[PXTalon2000]

Pkmvodka, you are rejecting my advice under your own assumptions. I would like you to justify those assumptions (as in tell me who the best Bowser you've played is, since your sig suggests you a Yoshi player). The good ones of whom I know would be any among [Azen, Neo, Chu, by default], Arash, CJ and Luke. And don't think I'm telling you to spam downsmash while you're being egg-spammed; I'm telling you to use it for its ability to eat through all of Yoshi's aerials and send him to the sky (perhaps without a double jump).

I already told you it would get you somewhere... As far as Bowser's priority goes... Yoshi's nair and bair will beat Bowser's fair to the punch when time/spaced appropriately. So one can't simply say Bowser air > Yoshi air. Besides that, Yoshi has enough on Bowser to even it up alright (maybe). Ftilt, bair and utilt to smashes, dair, or uair and bair chains, (which may easily end up with an egg spam 'til landing), can quickly cause a great deal of damage to Bowser. (Or I could just sum that up as "Yoshi can dish out heavy combos and has useful projectiles) The send angle of downsmash and the reliability of the dair spike speak a few horrors to Bowser's normally outrageous lifespan. And if Bowser relies too heavily on his air game, Yoshi can CC and DJC through, or space, and assert his own game. Of course, such can be said of any who can do well off a shield grab; and it may be countered in the same way.

But I do think the match is Bowser's in general. Especially if he has flame cancel at his disposal.

UndrDog... Huh..?

[pkmvodka]

my sig means absolutely nothing.

I didn't say the down smash wasn't bad either, but I was saying that it's not what makes the difference in a match vs him and yoshi. Because bowser has the upper hand on that matchup I believe.

And I stated why.

[aho43]

Bowser > Yoshi

Next time around I'll see if I can get around that PXT. Light shielding didn't seem to do much except delay the pain. I might try spamming egg lay, see what that does.

Edit: Yoshi > Bowser. Yoshi can tilt bowser to oblivion. And seems to outprioritize alot of his moves. If you can just avoid dsmash, yoshi is in good shape. Egg lay is useful too.

[PXTalon2000]

That ftilt gives Yoshi too many rewards. If you don't DI that thing you might as well take a lunch break before you land, and if you do land, it's only 'cuz you're eating a dair.

You can shieldgrab downsmash.

What I meant to ask was.. What Bowser do you see beating what Yoshi left and right? Or are you just guessing?