Missles Anonymous

[UndrDog]

Ok, I briefly posted this in a previous thread but it was already about dead. so here it is...

How do I keep up with Samus' projectiles? she can spam me and I'm stuck trying to get Nana to dodge them. but she is about 6-7 frames behind. this makes it hard for me to advance on Samus.

People have suggested I try and Powershield by ducking and sheilding, but the Icies dont duck low enough.

Suggested I try to blcok them with Ice blocks, but Samus will either missle over them and try and peg my head or missle cancle and send two. or even double missle cancel, (double missle jump followed by missle cancel).

Sigh, nothing I seem to try works, and my only real source of practice is a Samus...

[CORY]

: ( i'm sorry... the only advice i can give is don't play ic's against samus, mainly for reasons you listed. you just can't close on her without eating all sorts of flying **** and when you do, she outranges, outprioritizes, and doesn't fall into your uber death comboes...

[Powda193]

yea... just play as zelda and use naryu's love to reflect some projectiles and then give her a lightning kick off the screen.

[UndrDog]

sigh, just the advice I didnt want. but I knew it was coming. LoL, I'll work another character into it then.

and that is the first time I've ever heard advice sayint to use Zelda

[JesusFreak]

That's just the thing about it tho. Samus is pretty much the ICs biggest counter for those reasons and more. I've also heard that peach counters the ICs pretty badly too, but I don't really see how. Then again ICs and peach are 2 of my worst characters. :p

[The Game II]

Originally posted by JesusFreak
That's just the thing about it tho. Samus is pretty much the ICs biggest counter for those reasons and more. I've also heard that peach counters the ICs pretty badly too, but I don't really see how. Then again ICs and peach are 2 of my worst characters. :p

Yeah, I can hang with a lot of characters, but Peach and Samus just give me problems up the arse. I can anticipate Peach moves, but ICP are just slow to get out/counter (ie: Peach's "tornado" move). Samus, ugh, just awful.

I'm trying to learn a new character just because of this problem.

--GCII

[UndrDog]

why does Samus counter everyone!!!! grr... this sucks, my only means of human compitition is a Samus. you know, Jasona, the jerk that keeps finding new ways to pwn me with missles...

(Check Samus room for his "ways to kill Undr with Missles" threads)
oh, and just kidding about the jerk comment... >_>

[The Cape]

I dont have a cube on me to test this, but what about:
Tilting the missles
Jumping and firing ice blocks
PSing normally
Sheilding

Any of those work?

On another note, I cant wait to play Jasona's Samus with my Mario.

[UndrDog]

couple issues...

tilts have too much lag, Samus is in my face before its done due to Missle Canceling.

Nana has too much lag to jump to avoid and try to pursue Samus as well.

PSing is kinda hard, and if Nana gets in front of me she gets the blunt of it.

Sheilds dont last that long. Missle spam = tiny sheild.

it makes me sad...

[gore]

Shied WDing!!!!!!!!!!!!!! First of all whenever you WD, if you hold z during the WD, then they will be light shielding. Try doing this, but WD in place (strait down) and try to get them desynched. They will alternate light shields if done corectly ( I forgot to mention it's more or less impossible :p) But yeah, you can PS alot like this. Also, jumping and air dodging through the missles is good.

You can beat samus. It's hard but you just have to rape her with grabs.

Edit: Last night I saw vids of Captain Jack's Samus. I'm sure that that is the best Samus in the world, and no IC can beat it. OMG it's scary...

[PXTalon2000]

Heeee... Watch those Neo (Samus) vs Chu (Climbers) vids you have, then get 'em on the Hub!

... They'll help against Peach, too, probably. I don't think Chu gives Neo a spare second for turnips #_#().

[UndrDog]

yeah I saw that match-up in the Finals at Chu's. got them recorded too. =D but in the end I'm not sure if I can match Chu's skills in that area. at least not yet... >=D no, I still doubt it...

[gore]

put them vids on the hub and pm when you do, if you would be so kind :D . Mr.C says stick to link, niga. He's a link playa, an' **** dawg... NAAAHH MEEEE? But the gore appreciates your IC's contribution.

[UndrDog]

I like Link, but I really want to learn the Climbers though. and its kinda hard when Samus is my only means of practice.

[dan smith]

I don't really "play" IC's or anything...but does the DownB not work? It seems like it could block some projectiles...what about the ForwardB? I will go mess around and try and think of a solution.

Yes, Zelda counters Samus REALLY BAD.

Love will send back any Missles or Charge Shot blasts that Samus tries to hit with. Love has large range, (reflecting nearer or farther projectiles) good height, and suprisingly large amount of frames. (it will reflect even after the diamond is gone)

The FSmash has good enough range to get past Samus' smashes and most importantly....the Lightning Kicks are Samus' worst enemy.

I was playing in a tourney and my friend Isaac choose Samus, I choose Zelda. He assume I was Sheik so he agreed...and then I kicked him to oblivion.

Quadruple Lightning Kick anybody? Samus is light enough to KO quick from the emense power of the kicks, falls fast enough to get hit by them OVER and OVER, and has no aerial attack that can outrange Zelda's well toned legs.

I highly recomend Zelda against Samus and Peach. Cat fight!

[CORY]

nope : ( ice shield doesn't stop missiles, but it does stop shiek needles ^^

[UndrDog]

grr... there has to be a way... Ice Climbers need Pick axes they could throw. right through the missles and into Samus' visor! mwa hahahaha! but seriously if anyone, ( even if your a n00b and think your a Ice Climber master ) please humor me!

[Jasona]

try SHFFing an aerial... come on, I'm not that bad... if all else fails, get nana to take one for the team and get a headstart on the next missle

[UndrDog]

SHFFL? yeah like you said all that does it have Nana a'sploding! not cool, and I'd prefer to keep Nana with me. we already had this talk... >_>

[gore]

I prefer light shield wave dashing(holding Z), but you can hold L or R so that Nana is light shielding and Popo's is adjustable depending on how much pressure you apply. This Way, nana will always take the missle first.

If Nana takes the hit then, you can just WD up to bounty hunter and short hop standard aerial-Lcancel-Downsmash. Works good...

I've recently figured out a way to chain grab samus and maybe peach. It's a modified form of the Dthrow(popo), Short hop-Dair(nana), Grab (Popo) Chain. You have to Dthrow(popo), then full jump and DI towards the direction popo is facing and Dair thel Samus(nana) -- If you do it right this will send samus behind popo-- and then turn around and grab(popo). It's hard, but I want to perfect it for Moast 3 so I won't have any trouble with samus players like that fat **** sevens.

[UndrDog]

I suppose though Im opposed of Nana eating missles.

anyway I'm loving your answer to the chain grab issue with Samus. if you ever get a vid of you doing it please let us know. =D

[gore]

I'm gonna make a vid after Moast 3. I can't reveal all my tricks yet though :chuckle:. I'm also gonna make a guide explaining how to do **** in the vid. I started it already, It's called Advanced Ice Climbers Guide, in the IC forum, but it's nowhere near finished.s

The vid will contain:
Chain grabs on alot of different characters.
How to get the most damage possible out of grabs
Desynching tricks
Excerpts from matches where I do really cool ****.

[UndrDog]

wow, thats so cool! I live in Maryland, and am not attending MOAST... so... perhaps a little sneak peek maybe? ^_^" <=D

[<3]

Hmm... I use Samus as my main but I use Ice Climbers as kind of a secondary char (not very good though)...
I'm purty sure you can just nutral a to cancle missles if I'm not mistaken there is very little lag afterwards leaving you to counter a charging samus or another missle.
I also sugest leaning how to play an independent popo in some cases (because of the move lag between popo and nana) you can't avoid her geting hit. BUt as you know popo is more inportant that nana as much as it hurts to say. -_-
Also try swiching colors often to help throw off your oponnet on who is who. (don't know if it will work on Jasona and if it does I'm sure it won't be too long)

just random stuff >.> yeah hope it helps

[UndrDog]

just random stuff >.> yeah hope it helps

No offense, and I appreciate what you did. but it didnt help... :cry:

[<3]

Yeah.. I should really test out stuff before I post it... sry about that -_-

I'll get back to you on this my competion is getting back from japan this week so I can experiment with these things on a human opponent.

[gore]

As soon as I finish the vid I'll let you know. It won't take me long once I start recording. I already have all my tricks practiced. I guess I could try to make you a vid of just the samus chain grab. I'll post back in a few days, if I can.

Oh, I get it now, undrdog and jasona are crewmates right? You should practice other chars against undrdog's IC, jasona. He'd probably get pretty good with them.

[UndrDog]

THANK YOU!!!!

sorry but that made my day. I'll liink Jasona to this thread...

[gore]

yeah ummm.... I guess I'm going to wait till after moast to make the vid. I have to work alot this week, so I don't really have time. But the chain grab on hot bounty hunter does work, because I did it against fletcher aka bluk and I won. I usually lose about half the time in IC vs Samus, but I like 2 stocked him. She can Up-B out of it sometimes, but then you can just see where she lands and then grab her again. But I'll let you know when I make the vid.

[The Cape]

UNDR, remember, I can play everyone (alot better than I did at Jasona's) and I can help you get those ICers better. You just gotta get up and drive up here sometime.

[UndrDog]

Its cool take your time. I'm gonna stick with Peach until then. thanks man and good luck at MOAST. I want all your vids when you get back. ^_^

[Neo-Dragoon]

On stages where samus has some room to back up and missile spam you, have you tried a desync ice cube spam?

At some point in there samus has to jump, right?

So Sheild the missile (or both in the case of a cancel?) Spot dodge and have nana do the nuetral B, then popo so their decently spaced.

I think if you can get the timing down for this, you may be able to interupt a missile cancel because samus will land on ice and get hit instead of firing a missile.

Unfortunately I don't have a human handy to test this against at the moment, but ideally you're turning the projectile spam tables on Samus.

If she shields it or goes airborn, that gives you a chance to WD into a better spot.

I really don't know what could work on a stage like FD though. Best 2 out of 3 and hope for a better counter pick?



On a play note: Watch samus! Her moves are generally easy to identify, and for how much it sounds like you fight her, I'm sure you know exactly the level a missile is going to travel at. It gives you must better reaction time for closing in without getting pummeled. This is usually the difference between me winning and losing against a good samus player with any character, ironically.

[gore]

If you have you're back to samus and you're in air, you can use back aerials to counter missles. Or if you're on ground you can wavedash and do back aerials with both climbers to kill missles. Say if samus missles cancels you use the back aerial for the first one, then l-cancel and light shield the 2nd one.

[UndrDog]

well since I'm going to so many fests and tournies recently I'm going to practice there. the heck with trying to beat Samus. and Gore thanks for the advice. though my biggest issue with that is timing the bair with Nana to get the peak of the attack to hit the missle and compensate for all the lag.

[ANTX]

i've never had missles be a problem. course i don't fight many sami.

i'd just WD back and reset.

[Pichu Paizano]

Gore: Whatever happend to that vid?! :crazy:

[exarch]

Missles suck- at first i did ok against them with icy's because i knew how to fight against a samus, and the samus didnt know how to fight vs icy, but now the samus does.

Ive had minor success with running at the samus full on, when a missle comes directly spot dodge, and the secondary climber is far enough behind you so that the dodge's delay actually helps and fits.(however its hard to run full on when there's bombs in the way)

Or something that I cant do yet because I cant time well enough with the icy's just sit there and tilt/jab the missles away. don't move afterwards, If the samus cant hit you with a missle, she'll have to approach you, then you've got a few options...
we'll assume the samus missle cancels and runs behind it.
If you think she's gonna dash attack after the missle, then sheild both the missle and the dash attack into shield grab/WD shieldgrab
If you think she's gonna grab after the missle, then sheild the missle and punish with the secondary character, or go airborn and punish for the missed grab(grab her back)
If samus jumps to get at you, no sweat:icy's like people in the air.
Either way around it force samus to come to you. you shouldnt ever be the only one to run at an opponent.
If she attempts to charge the blast, get closer.
If you play vs. a samus who SWD you cannot stay on top of them to prevent missle spam.

Just a few new ideas maybe? I hope it helps

[co_and_me]

well the one option i have yet to throw at you but i am trying to remeber to do it is bomb off the dash. Because i am stupid and even through i expect the sheild i just hope that i will go past where u cant grab. strangly this doesnt ever seam to work. But anyway I should mc and then bomb on your sheild which will blow me up in the air some and then i have some different options. I think (i dont really play ic much) that in this case sheild the bomb too and then up smash. that would be my thought but yeah just remeber MC to bomb is another samus option.