Bowser vs G&W

[HoChiMinhTrail]

i dont see how people believe that G&W overpowers bowser, he gets KO'd so fast.....

but then again im a newb so enlighten me please...

[PXTalon2000]

Alright... Game and Watch vs. Bowser seems, to me at least, to be a rather style-based match. G&W has some pretty interesting tricks for this matchup.

His fair can easily be shield fortressed if G&W doesn't space properly. But that isn't really good for Bowser, because G&W need not ***** the fair.

The dair, on the other hand, puts immense pressure (with that landing hit under the shield. It can be L-canceled into bugspray for a grab, or a dtilt.

G&W's dtilt has some pretty good combo potential (into fair into judgement or parachute...). Grab also means a lot against Bowser, since G&W can play around with a chain throw, fsmash, utilt and the parachute . Game and Watch's ability to use the autocancel frames of his aerials makes his openings less severe.

So asides Game and Watch being some odd, two-dimensional priority machine, there lies hope for Bowser. It seems Bowser has the edge when it comes to getting the kill (at least naturally). Landing the uair is the key (not to mention the fact that the uair beats the key, much to G&W's dismay). Fsmash is very good against G&W, should you land it. Contrary to popular belief, G&W is not easy to edgeguard. If G&W DIs his hits well, he likely won't even need to double jump to grab the ledge, and he has the fair (during whose animation he can grab the ledge), forward B, and key to protect him as he returns. Edgeguarding is all a mind game anyways, but with sausage, fair (combos, you can use the autocancel frames to do so), dtilt, et cetera, I think that it's harder for Bowser to make it back.

I would almost give it to Bowser were it not for one fact.. Sausage abuse. I'm serious; try it. It's like turnip spam but with a faster adversary..

[Amorasaki]

sausages have a very good attrition rate vs bowser. By that i mean bowser will typically have to take a good number of hits before he can penetrate and get his hit in. So yeah i agree about sausage spam.

[UndrDog]

Sausage spaming is pretty mean, but I still think its an even match. granted that the f-tilt can kill G&W around 70%... that is just to big of an advantage to overlook.

[PXTalon2000]

Originally posted by UndrDog
Sausage spaming is pretty mean, but I still think its an even match. granted that the f-tilt can kill G&W around 70%... that is just to big of an advantage to overlook.

That's not necessarily true. With proper DI G&W can survive the ftilt pretty well past that. But that does bring up a good point. A stage with close ceilings and walls would probably favor Bowser. I don't think I would call it an even match then, though.

[UndrDog]

good point. I'm not accustom to fighting G&Ws, well not human ones anyway. but still, a powerhouse + the frailest character in the game = a considerable amout of pwnage. but I suppose your right. I've just never seen a Bowser be beaten by a G&W, but again there arent many on DC++...

[GrabfestBowser]

I have never played a really good GaW, so I have no clue, but in my experience with people who generally know what is going on with him, Bowser's Fortress > GaW.

But again, I haven't played a GaW who claims to be super good.

To get under the sausages, as soon as I see the first one come out it's a dead run into Fortress to get to him.

Luke

[UndrDog]

yeah the fortress is Uber Powerfull with its initial hit. and its really fast to get off too.

[HoChiMinhTrail]

ah i see the power of the GW and i think that he can take bowser if the GW knows what he is doing

[and per se Andy]

GW gets totally owned by powerhouses. bowser is no exception! DK owns him even worse because he can up throw to a punch and KO at 30-40%.

GW is still good against chars who won't kill him at ridiculous low %.

[HoChiMinhTrail]

bah AOB u just crushed the GW spirit.

[Zarelid]

down throw a G&W and you'll know why he over powers him XD

[omegablackmage]

the sheer combo power that GaW has ruins bowser's game. He has excellent priority and power which allow him to really take bowser out. Along with good maneuverablity, gw is a tank (except for the crappy defense part). The only huge disadvantage GW has is the weight and bowser has many more.

[HoChiMinhTrail]

can't ignore the fortress tho :( id say its a decently balanced matchup.

[and per se Andy]

GW is a tank??? that is the last word i would use to describe him, tank to me sounds like someone big and heavy like bowser or DK. GW does have crazy priority and strong moves but bowser is just going to kill him so ridiculously easy with punch, scratch, fortress, whatever.
GW can't handle big strong characters at all.

[GrabfestBowser]

Thank you AOB.

FTilt.
Bair.
Fair.
UpB.

Dead.

Luke

[PXTalon2000]

Game and Watch makes up somewhat for his light weight by being quite difficult to edgeguard. Game and Watch has sausages and combos therefrom (it isn't too often I see a G&W with a well-developed sausage game), his combos are heavier in general, and the range and priority of his forward aerial may be somewhat abused (that means a lot), and it's not like that's his only effective one either. If fair wasn't even spaced out and if dair didn't go under a shield, L-cancels into bugspray will clank with the fortress and from there Bowser gets to be juggled. Bugspray reliably clanks with Bowser's upB, and leaves G&W with a frame advantage.
Game and watch wins on edgeguarding Bowser; parachutes and combos thereinto kill Bowser at a decently low percentage, but not as low as G&W will die. Judgement and combos thereinto might kill Bowser quickly. And I need not again mention downthrow and upthrows.

Bowser can kill G&W in relatively few blows. (Heck Bowser can also kill Jigglypuff in relatively few blows.) Bowser can take G&W's blows well.
His ftilt is powerful, but won't challenge G&W's forward aerial. All his most powerful upwards kills will go through the key when timed perfectly (that hurts).
How can you consider this match anything but even? Donkey Kong is much worse for G&W.

[HoChiMinhTrail]

agreed.

[omegablackmage]

when i mentioned tank i said except for the defense part right after that, leaving offense, which gw has. I usually use the term tank to mean heavy firepower and i see how you could confuse it.

[TheKoopaBros.]

This is a fairly close match up.

With my experience fighting CPU bowser's with GAW I have to try very hard to beat him.(because of his size,and power)

Other times VS a bowser I can overpower him using GAW's fast attacks and edge guarding moves.

So yeah they could be very close in a good match-up.