vs Marth

[HoChiMinhTrail]

sup Luke this is cunning's friend, kk i was playin some Marth players awhile back and i just couldn't get inside no matter what i did, only thing that had some effect was trying to jump and land on him to get inside, but most of the times the marths would just jump up and knock me back in the air.....

what do i do....?

[GrabfestBowser]

Abuse flame cancel. If you play like I do, I jump up and down an awful lot, faking like I'm coming in, sometimes actually doing it, that kind of stuff. If you come down with a flame cancel and hold B until he DIs away and out of it, then jump again towards him and do it again, there is a good chance that he will "be forced" to take to the air when there is a possibility of a third one coming in a row. In this case do a Fair hoping he jumps into it (I do full hops against marths, so if you miss with the fair, you can DI left and still be out of sword range. And when I say Fair, I mean a quick one, like hit A as you are still ascending with his jump, so that you can use Bowsers second jump to retreat if you miss).

And remember if you ever hit someone while they are in the air with a Fair, ALWAYS follow up, whether you try to hit them again, or whether you just run under them and block. I really like the running under them and blocking because you can fortress out of the shield and put them in the same situation they were just in... and odds are they aren't going to do the same thing again... though be ready for it, bowser is quick enough to get to them if he decides to retreat altogether.

I have a very recent video of me fighting my brother's marth, IM DctrEvil1717, I'll send it to you, I'm online like all the time... though for some reason my buddy list has been "lost" by aol. By tomorrow everything should be cool.

Do you shorthop with Bowser? Against Marths I usually do full jumps to get over his blade, and then come down without attacking, but it's hard to say really, it's kind of living in the moment when I play. And you can get very quick kills against marth. The thing is once you get him in the air above you, you want to keep him in the air as much as possible and always keep him directly above you. Only a couple characters can handle a bowser planted underneath them that is blocking, and marth isn't one of them.

Do you ever just run up to people and grab with Bowser? It's like his best move. And then pancake. Always pancake unless you need to back throw them to get them off the ledge.

Luke

[Ninja]

What about falco's gun

[MagnuM]

Power shield? Fortress towards them? I dunno

[Zarelid]

duh! jump over them....I mean blocking= lazer, lazer grab

rolling=same thing

ground dodge equal same thing

jumping over lazers gives you nd edge on him.

[Zarelid]

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[PXTalon2000]

I think the dash attack is pretty good against Marth, as long as you're smart about it. Don't get faked out; don't get predictable.. But realize it does cut under him when he shorthops the same way Ganon's downB and Peach's dash attack do.

And don't fortress towards him. Actually, don't fortress towards anyone unless you're pretty close in general.