Crazy recovery, up+b canceled? Sounds like a lie!!

[SiYkO]

And yet, in this video
http://ssbm.captainjack.jp/movies/S48-kenmarth-isaisamus.wmv
at 3 minutes exactly, Samus does a weird recovery. Bombs to fly, then I believe up+b, missle, then a grappling hook that sends her flying upwards. I think the grappling hook is done by canceling an airdash immediately into hook, but I do not know about the others. Anyone have any information? Thanks!

[Oro]

Yes, Samus does have a very good recovery, thanks for noticing... :rolleyes:

Nowhere during that portion of video you're talking about does Isai do an Up+B, and no where does he cancel it. All he does is the rising grapple... You just smash up+R (or L) and press A almost immediately afterwards. Before that all he did was bomb jump and then double jump and missile.

[drag0nfeather]

Is it possible to do a rising grapple by pressing Z instead and why did Ken shoot a missile?

[Aftermath]

First off, it's Isai in the vid, not ken.

Second, you can most likely do so, but A is probably much easier for nearly everyone to do this, go ahead and be different if you want, but that is looked down upon in our society, so be aware.

Lastly, i haven't watched the vid, but my guess is that he shot a missile so he did not come on the edge unprotected. You see, the missile is a type of projectile, it flies out and away from samus' arm cannon. This "projectile" will continue in a straight line for quite a while, covering both ground and distance, thus enabling a safer recovery. If them missile hits an object, which can range from anything such as a platform, wall, or in rare cases, even another character. So not only does it fly away from samus, but it can also "hit" opponents in its flight trajectory.

I hope that helped, but if you need further explanation on it, feel free to post like an idiot again, i'll get back to you quickly.

[ChRed2AKrisp]

What happened to the "no question is stupid unless its already been asked" rule? Cap'n Crunch, so Dragon Feather is a n00b. Just say, "He fired the missle to stop his opponent from attacking him so he could recover safely" or something else to the same extent. Seriously, I mean some people are stupid and make threads about threads about things that are already discussed elsewhere, but these people are generally n00bs or retarded. Either way you should be nice and kindly explain they should try the search function first. If you have some anger management issues when you read this pointless threads/posts remember only that they are unenlightened like yourselfand that if you played them you could crush them like pitiful insects. If that doesn't calm you down take some deep breaths, maybe drink some beer(I don't know what the drinking age is where you live). Otherwise print their post, stick it on the wall and throw darts at. Just don't vent your problems in a post.

[Aftermath]

I never agreed to that rule. and on another point, you should have realized by now that i'm an arrogant ******* when posting here. I don't know if i could beat him that badly.

However, i have heard this same question "can you do the thing with Z?!?!?" many times, so i get a bit tired. Why would you even want to hit Z, using 2 fingers, when you can simply hit A with your thumb. I swear, some people would just love to wd with Z and R....

[SiYkO]

capn crunch

if you didnt watch the video, then why do you post "omg he shot a missle to hit him!!! it couldn't be more obvious!!! Learn to play!!!" watch the video. Why does he shoot the missle while under a platform that the opponent cannot fall through? If you want to be a smartass about people's question, at least get right what they are asking.

[ChRed2AKrisp]

Originally posted by Cap'n Crunch

However, i have heard this same question "can you do the thing with Z?!?!?" many times, so i get a bit tired. Why would you even want to hit Z, using 2 fingers, when you can simply hit A with your thumb. I swear, some people would just love to wd with Z and R....

Or you could simplay hit Z with your index finger. That's one finger not two. The only reason to use A is it's easier to press.

[Aftermath]

what kind of platform can't the opponent fall through? did he shoot it below the stage? how far? if it was just below there is a slight possibility he mis-timed. was it a homing or super missile? if it was homing he may have been trying to bomb for some reason.

Anyway, i don't think i'll watch the vid, it's going to take over 2 hours to dl.

And 2Chredakrisp or whatever your name is, so by airdodging and hitting Z he'd only use 1 finger? the index for both, moving it quickly enough to airdodge and then grapple at very nearly the same time? wouldn't it make even more sense though if he did use the middle finger for R and the index for Z? of course it would be the easiest if he would just try the A button, i bet he uses Z exclusively for grabs as well.

[SiYkO]

twas F-zero stage (the one that does 'go go go') and during the part where its far up in the air he recovers under the stage, and shoots a missle a good full character length under the platform. I was wondering if it slowed his fall at all or if it was just... i dunno, pressing buttons for teh sake of pressing buttons?

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[ChRed2AKrisp]

I see what ur saying Cap'n. Ur assuming someone will air dodge with R. I use L so it wouldn't be a problem. Left index on L, right on Z. No problem. I still use A anyways cuz, like I said its easier to press with ur thumb.

[Aftermath]

Why yes, i am making that assumption, since the vast majority of people use R to wd, and would usually use R as the normal airdodge as well. sorry if i jumped to that conclusion, but you're the first i've heard of using L for the rising grapple, do you also wd with L?

Shooting missiles doesn't slow your fall, but like i said, if it was a homing, he may have been trying an upb or bomb and pushed to far over.

[ChRed2AKrisp]

I use L fo most things. Iuse R occasionally but L for WD, Rolls, Spot Dodge, Air Dodge, etc. I do use R for shielding And shield grabbing. The reason I like L is because it speads out the controls somewhat, as opposed to haveing one controlwith my left hand and five with my right hand. I use R for shieldgrabbing so the controls go together in one hand. There's an L or R thread in Melee Discussion,don't know if you've seen it or not.

[drag0nfeather]

I just recently tested some crap and the questions I asked earlier, what I really meant was. Couldn't you use Z instead of L+A but you still didn't understand. I meant couldn't you do a rising grapple but you still didn't answer my question. So I tried it myself and the Z button did not function. Thanks a lot for your help... And I was also asking about the missile cuz I couldn't tell if it was a homing or straight missile. It seemed like a straight to me cuz it didn't curve. Geez!

[PhillCollins]

I use Z, I don't really know why

[ChRed2AKrisp]

You can only move during the grapple if you air dodge and soon after press A or Z. You can't rplace the L/R because that's part of the air dodgewhich comes before you grapple. Just remember that Z does vot replace L+A, L+A replaces Z. Its similar to when you get Samus's Homing grapple you would think if you held L and then tapped A it would be like pressing Z, but youcan't because the L function is being used for homing.

[StoneColdLink]

Im new to playing Samus, and I was watching this one video where they were at Big Blue (i think) Samus did her grapple beam, and without it catching with and edge, Samus did like an jump with her grapple beam extended. How do you do that kind of move? I have been trying to di it by myself without knowing how to do it, but no success. Help me out and give me some tips on how to do it.

[ChRed2AKrisp]

Airdodge up and immediately press A, while still holding up. THe faster you press A the higheryou go. Then you can DI much better horizontally to the stage than the screw attack. The problem is it can be less reliable thn the up B and since ur not attacking durringitits pretty easy for sum1 to just smash you.