Samus downgraded?

[the grim lizard]

This really isn't anything special; it's just kind of for fun or whatever. And I guess, overall, it's pointless and will get locked soon, but....

Do you guys think that Samus is way downgraded in SSBM? Not talking about as opposed to SSB, but from her own games. In other words, if it were REALLY a match with these players with their true abilities from their respective games, who would be on top?

I think Samus would beat anyone hands down...with her ice beam, plasma beam, wave beam, super missles, screw attack, space jump, speed boost, etc. There's no comparison with any other player. What do you guys think?

[HugS]

Well im just going to adress SSB to SSBM. No...i believe she has been upgraded tremendously. And for the second part....
MewTwo > samus really...psychic powers....samus wouldnt even be able to move. Welcome to the boards buddy.

[the grim lizard]

I wasn't talking about SSB to SSBM, i'm talking about the full arsenal of moves from their actual games....

but, fair enough with the mewtwo thing...

anyone else have an opinion?

[ChRed2AKrisp]

Okay this is kinda stupid but

Links mirror shield, reflects all Samus's attacks! At least her beam attacks.

And like HugS said Mewtwo is supposed to be this all powerful being.

CF would suck cuz he's a race car driver.

[HugS]

Peach would blow all kinds of loads. Wtf throwing turnips? Her downsmash would tickle my feet, and would feel really good if it was a silk dress. Toad would just be plain ****ed, honestly, thats not even cool.

[PhillCollins]

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I mean come on! Those beam cannons and rockets would just bounce off. Psychic powers don't work when you don't have a brain. NO CONTEST

[the grim lizard]

Yay!...an actually good discussion

I mean come on! Those beam cannons and rockets would just bounce off. Psychic powers don't work when you don't have a brain. NO CONTEST [/B]

Are you referring to Bowser? I seriously doubt that...I mean, c'mon! Mario always runs around him and grabs his tail and throws him into conveniently-placed bombs! Bowser wouldn't stand a chance in the real world.

Link's mirror shield could only hold up so much...As I said...WAVE BEAM!!! This goes through things, including Link's shield. Samus would totally kick butt. And, lest we forget, infinite space jump and screw attack makes Samus virtually unstoppable. Her speed boost would kick butt, too.

The only one that I could buy so far would be Mewtwo, maybe. But, even if he could confuse Samus, would he have any finishing moves? All Samus would need is a charged shot or two. Could the mind-techniques even work on a speed-boosted Samus?
Maybe a mind-control thing??

[the grim lizard]

I agree, C. Falcon would probably suck it up in the "real world." And....hahaha Peach! Yeah, what the heck is a turnip going to do?? lol

Personally, I think all mario characters would suck in these terms. This includes Yoshi and DK. I can see the Mewtwo maybe. Possibly Ganondorf? I have no idea what Kirby would be able to do. Would he ACTUALLY be able to copy Samus's moves? In this case, couldn't he get her screw attack, etc. as well?

[MLRS]

naw man, dk could kick ***, look at his size? i could totally see him grabbing peach then climbing up a really tall building. his only problem is that hes not very imaginative, if he woulda just donkey punched mario in the face rather than roll barrels down a hill, mario woulda got ****ing rocked! but then again, mario isn't that good either. i think the only reason he beats bowser is because he has so many times before, so bowser always goes into these fights with the wrong frame of mind. if bowser had a little more faith in himself, he could beat the **** outta a lot of folk.

[the grim lizard]

LOL! I like that...Bowser has a low self-esteem. Well, as I said, I don't think any of the Mario characters are very effective. DK...meh...I dunno. I still see a Samus space jump/screw attack that could kick DK's butt. (She beat Kraid and Ridley for crying out loud!) I would have to say that Mewtwo's mind attacks would be vitually usesless on DK's feeble brain...

Agreed...peach would get pounded (as expected). What about Zelda? I think that Samus is the only female that stands a chance...and she's probably the top two at that!

[Exenwyr]

Sorry guys, but I'm gonna have to go with Link on this one.

Link has one unbeatable combination that Noone yet in any videogame has managed to trump:

Cheatau Romani (from majora's mask) + Staff or Byrna (LttP) + any other magic attack spells, such as Thunder, Quake, Ether, or Bombos.

The chateau romani gives Link infinite Magic until he travels back in time and reverses the effects, the Staff of Byrna consumes magic to make link invincible (with infinite magic comes infinite time for invincibility), and the spells are just an easy way to hit anyone no matter where he/she is or what he/she is piloting.

[the grim lizard]

Yeah, I actually did think about that. I want to go with link; I like him a lot. But, I'm not sure his moves are strong enough or have enough maneurverability to keep up with Samus.

As far as the travelling back in time thing...I was thinking about Link playing his ocarina and such, too....but, he would be super-vulnerable while playing his notes...lol

Btw...if you're talking about majora's mask, wouldn't you mean young link?

[Exenwyr]

Originally posted by the grim lizard
Yeah, I actually did think about that. I want to go with link; I like him a lot. But, I'm not sure his moves are strong enough or have enough maneurverability to keep up with Samus.

As far as the travelling back in time thing...I was thinking about Link playing his ocarina and such, too....but, he would be super-vulnerable while playing his notes...lol

Btw...if you're talking about majora's mask, wouldn't you mean young link?

first argument: Manuverability wouldn't matter with his thunder, quake, ether, and bombos spells... Also If he did get injured, he could use his life spell from zelda 2 to regain as much as he needed. plus, he could fill up his health and just fire beams from his sword.

second argument: i was just explaining how link loses the effects of the chatau romani, which is travelling back in time. some people believe it is a 3 day timer, which it can't be, or else it would stick with him for a few more hours after he went back. I merely said that to show that he wouldn't lose this magic after some set period of time. Also, it wouldn't really matter, because he'd still be invincible from his item combo stated in my first post.

third argument: I'm using all the zelda games, just like you're using all the metroid games. (Although technically, you're right. Link is only a true adult in OOT. all the others he's supposed to be a kid, with the possible exception of zelda 2.)

These discussions are always so fun :D

[the grim lizard]

gotcha, sounds good.

i certainly would hope that link could beat samus...i don't think the mirror shield would always work, but with all of those magic spells, it would be a close match anyway.

what do you think about mewtwo? what about what i said about kirby?

anyway...i like these topics, too. they make you think, make for interesting conversation and a good knowledge of past nintendo games...
**ppl in the mainstream SWF don't think so, though. they're getting on my case about noobs starting topics**

[Exenwyr]

Mewtwo... if he could mind-control like in the movie (yes, i saw it. Go nerds!) then he'd definitely be a powerful force. not much you can do if you aren't in control. I don't remember, but doesn't he also know recover? that'd be another tough thing to get around, assuming you could hit him...

assuming kirby actually could suck up his opponents, that's all he'd need. When he copies someone, they don't pop back out like in ssb, they're gone. of course, he'd have to get close for this and most other characters have projectiles to keep him at bay. If he started with a power like UFO though, then it'd be pretty tough. a fully charged ufo shot will pass through anything and keep going ven if it does hit a target, plus the beam=like shots could deflect anything coming at him. he'd have lots of air manuverability and control as well.

[the grim lizard]

lol...i didn't think about that. that's true, kirby actually EATS the person. hmm... then, again, he could never inhale the main boss in his games, just the projectiles that the boss throws at him.

i'm still not sure about mewtwo...seems to me he has some weakness that some character could break through. maybe Samus's helmet could be like that of Magneto in X-men? again, i'm not sure if mewtwo has any finishing moves.

Ok, so quick recap: top choices for "real-life" fighting...Samus, Link, Kirby, and Mewtwo.
I still think that any mario character would get his (or her, in peach's case) butt kicked.

[PhillCollins]

You're taking Link abilities from different links. They're different people from different ages. If you think about it, then Fox and Falco should be piloting arwings. Not only that Ness at max level seems to have powers stronger than ultimate evil cosmic forces.

[the grim lizard]

I don't know much about Earthbound...
As far as Falco and Fox...lest you forget, on Starfox 64, you can play as the individuals on foot in multiplayer mode.

[Eljin]

Originally posted by ChRed2AKrisp
Okay this is kinda stupid but

Links mirror shield, reflects all Samus's attacks! At least her beam attacks.

And like HugS said Mewtwo is supposed to be this all powerful being.

CF would suck cuz he's a race car driver.


Hey C. Falcon could run everyone over with his whole fleet of race car drivers. Drive really fast and bail at the last second... lmao

[the grim lizard]

I'd take Samus's starship or Fox's Arwing or the Great Fox over C. Falcon's Blue Falcon any day...

[Eljin]

Well isn't him and Samus friends... well they are sort of like bounty hunters. they could team up for a kick *** combo... ( Racing ice beam car crash ) What about Zelda's magic I'm sure she maybe able to hold her own with mewtwo. she could own. Now Zelda and Mewtwo in real life would make the best team.... (Ras de fin confusion nightshade)

[the grim lizard]

I really think Link could handle Zelda and Samus would blow anyone away...those are my thoughts. Or maybe Kirby could just eat everyone...done.

Without ships or anything, just one-on-one. Few things could stand up to Samus's power suit. Mewtwo still intrigues me. I wonder how effective that power suit really is. Hmm...

[PhillCollins]

Yeah you can pick the man, its better than the tank, but the arwing still pwns them all.

Ness has Psychic powers probably superior to Mewtwo.
At least they beat some pretty serious enemies.
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My image posting abilities seem to be sub par though...

[the grim lizard]

Lol...i hear you there. I have this feeling this thread will be locked soon, anyway. the swf "pros" seem to have a problem with any interesting conversations like this. (i.e., "noob posts"). i think we're OK for a while, since this is in the character specific section...

[Eljin]

It may be good but with mewtwo on her case i dont think so. I am a samus fan but a mewtwo fan by far. Psychic powers... c'mon who would turn the down for a power suit with missles. I also think Zelda would eat Samus also, she uses magic. To me it's psychic powers first then magic, then the funky looking power suit.

[PhillCollins]

They all stood silently sizing up their opponents. Envisioning vicotry. But as soon as the battle royale began they lost control.

Samus flew out of control, firing blindly, the room had suddenly filled with space pirates and her previous foes had dissapered

Link thought he was able to resist the sting of the mental manipulation but was eventually unable defend himself as a large monkey hand grabbed him from behind and began to swing him violently. Mayhem ensued, the battle field was torn asunder by lasers and rockets fired indesriminantly. Gannon was felled as he was hit in the face simultaneously by a sausage and turnup. Lightening, fire, and ice flew about in all directions.

The entire gruesom scene controled by a hovering Mewtwo, with only a small glint of amusement in his eyes. ]

Suddenly without warning a large explosion of appeared and swept the fodder aside. Mewtwo could feel himself ripped by powerful Psychic energy gripping him. It was feeding him the image of home backed apple pie.

Mewtwo floated back to the now barren earth comming face to face with his opponent. A small boy with a bat in one hand, a yoyo in the other, and the ability to blast opponents with Psychic images of his favorite thing.

[Eljin]

lol don't forget Zelda

[PhillCollins]

She can't hack it, mind controls the magic.

[the grim lizard]

Ganondorf could absorb all of the energy in the room into one giant energy ball...Mewtwo would have no energy to use his attacks. Kirby could copy and counter (or possibly just eat)...

I still say Samus has to have some sort of mind-protection with that helmet (suit) of hers...

**and when everyone is distracted by all the mind games, a little Jigglypuff runs up to Mewtwo, makes him sleep, and smashes him into oblivion...**

Game & Watch could easily avoid the mind tricks...two bad he's 2-D; one sneeze and he'd be long gone...

[UndrDog]

Yeah, Link wouldnt have any thing to worry about if you incorporate all he knows. but this does add a problem. there have been more the one Link. So can we still say that one Link would have all the moves? Even with that in mind, The Adventures of Link: Link would rock. and so would OoT: Link.

[the grim lizard]

**removed**

[Exenwyr]

In response to you guy's instant removal of mario characters from the 'hopeless' category, consider this: Peach. throws turnips, floats... what else is there? she would get pwned, right? Well what if you give her the lazy shell and the safety ring from Mario RPG? the shell is insane, blocking almost all physical and elemental attacks, and the saftey ring prevents status effects (aka the 'confusion' from psychic attacks) Not to mention she can heal herself.

I still don't think she'd last against the big guys, but i'm just trying to prove that the mario characters aren't completely worthless :)

[the grim lizard]

So she would just stand there, but she wouldn't defeat anyone. Mario playes just don't have any good attacks.

[UndrDog]

I dont know about you, but I dont want to be smacked with any amount of fire... I mean, if you take it into consideration, all the fire attacks would be near fatal. Zelda can blow you up... ow... ness can ingulf you in flames... Carry + Children of the Corn = Ness. and of course Mario / Luigi would give you third degree burns. Young Link can burn your insides with his flaming arrow. And Samus would just be mean.

[MLRS]

if samus snuck up on mewtwo, hyper beam is instant kill. mewtwo may have all that psychic power, but he probably can't take a whole lot of damage.

[HugS]

Samus still has the biggest wiener...therefore, samus wins....

[the grim lizard]

What the--??!?!?!?!?!?...Samus is a girl.

Anyway, I agree with MLRS...Mewtwo is a one-hit kill. All Samus needs is one shot...

[Kirby_M@ster]

if samus snuck up on mewtwo, hyper beam is instant kill. mewtwo may have all that psychic power, but he probably can't take a whole lot of damage.

That won't happen. If we're talking about the characters in "real life" (well, not really "real life", but... you know), then MewTwo would be unstoppable. He could make inpenetrable shields, teleport, hide and attack from the other side of the universe, and do anything he wanted. He could make himself invisible and just slowly rip the other contestants to peices. He could sense anyone coming from anywhere, and teleport or just float away from any danger. He would not be able to be stopped.

I think bowser would be a good bet, too. Game and watch could just turn sideways and hide in cracks and things, Ganondorf has all his powers, too. Zelda has her magic, and Ness would be tough too.

I don't think Samus, Link, or most other characters would stand half of a chance.

[the grim lizard]

Well, I disagree with Bowser...If you've ever seen him in ANY game...He is EASILY beaten (grabbing tail, throw into bomb, etc.). And you are crazy to easily dismiss Link and Samus. They are two of the few who could beat anyone. Link could kick Zelda's butt because he has all of the magic power plus all of his other attacks and everything else that we've mentioned in this thread.
Mewtwo has no physical abilities, only mental ones or whatever. It would be a tough call to see how it would play out in "real life" because Mewtwo gets all hyped up in all of the Pokemon movies, but c'mon...they're Pokemon...easily beatable.
So...who knows how he'd do with a REAL challenge...namely Samus or Link.

[Kirby_M@ster]

they're Pokemon...easily beatable.
You mean in the GB games? Maybe. In the actual pokemon universe though, Link and Samus would not be able to get close. Think about it.

Okay, you can bend reality, you can do anything your mind conjures. You can control, manipulate, implode, and effect any thing in any way. Don't get me wrong, Link and Samus are top characters to me, but if you have all those powers, are you gonna let some punk with a bow and arrow and a sword get anywhere near you? Same goes with Samus. It just won't happen. Even if Samus and Link doubled up on MewTwo, he could just sense it and teleport away, or just freeze them in their tracks and rip them limb from limb. He cannot be stopped with mere physical damage unless he lets you.

Apart from him, though, I still standby my other statements. So in SM64 bowser could be thrown into bombs. Of course, really, he wouldn't set himself up in such an arena like that. He would be in the real world, no floating stages, no set up bombs.. and remember, he has fire breath, claws, ground pound, a hard shell, and he is big. No pushover.