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Charoo
11-21-2004, 06:23 PM
I play agaisnt Marth with my Doc which I just started using but it's so hard getting clsoe to him. I try pills but he just slash it off and if I get close to him his range is just too good, and can grab faster than me. Then in the aerial his f-air pretty much stop most of my aerials move. So any tips?

VilNess
11-22-2004, 03:07 AM
WD towards him and sidestep/upangled side tilt work now and then.
also try grabbing him, since he is floaty and quite jugglabble with shffled uairs if you learn his Dairs range.
dodging is the key to get in his range. Trianglejumping helps too.

Cyphus
11-22-2004, 07:22 PM
vilness pretty much covered it, really.
Since marth doesn't have a sex kick, and his downair is risky due to its horrible lag...u want to get under him, and juggle w/ UpAirs alot.
you'll also want to use your Jab, alot more on him, since due to his floatiness..u can turn it into a grab, or downsmash easily.
practice WD jabs, from pills, and i personally don't give much acknowledgement for triangle jumping, against marth...i think its maybe only good to use during the middle of match, once u might have picked on habits.

edgeguarding marth is really hard, but u can do this...hang on hte ledge..and when he comes by just press backwards and B..to cape(w/out even dropping..u'll just cape right from where u were hanging...u'll prolly get hit..but its alot easier to hit him w/ it..and thats the point.

if u get a grab on marth, at early damage, downthrow into an upsmash or uptilt and pursue him as far as u can

recovering urself...try to mix it up...if u have extra space...try, instead of timing ur 2nd and UpB jump to gain best distance..start ur 2nd jump...then blast ur upB right after it, to grab.
most marths won't anticipate it.

its obvious..but try to lay off the DocPunches(AFA)..outside of true combos...punishment is certain...so focus on backthrows, downsmash, and sh backkicks to edge guard...and u should do great.

truPOTENTIALatSB
11-22-2004, 08:26 PM
Doctor Mario can own Marth just by using pills.. jump pill land pill try to am for Marths knee when you jump and pill. If you aim for his face before you land his sword will hit you. Also wavedashing toward him then before he attacks wavedash backwards fast then keep pilling him or wavedash back for the grab/attack...

AmishTechnology
11-22-2004, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by truPOTENTIALatSB
Doctor Mario can own Marth just by using pills.. jump pill land pill try to am for Marths knee when you jump and pill. If you aim for his face before you land his sword will hit you. Also wavedashing toward him then before he attacks wavedash backwards fast then keep pilling him or wavedash back for the grab/attack... I'm no Doc player but if I remember correctly, the pills don't help. Can't Marth just F-Tilt his pills or something?

GanondorftheXXVI
11-22-2004, 10:15 PM
Watch CJ vs. Azen lol.

But really, wavedasin helps a lot. Wavedash in and out of the shield into grabs into sidesteps, into jabs to grabs and into jabs to dsmash. Sometimes even rolling behind marth can work IF you dont abuse it. Always grab and punch when you can unless you're going for the finisher. Grabbing, punching and Uairs help.

And also, while the pills alone won't own marth, they WILL add to the pressure you're putting on him.