Pikachu's Match-up List

[Red Dragon]

Ok before i start....

*grabs a flame proof sheild*

Now i'm ready...


Ok, i'll give you all of Pika's good and bad match ups, and even fights as well. The following is not only based on my years of experience, but on the opinion of many others as well. Good match ups are characters Pikachu has an advantage over, Even fights are...even fights, and bad match ups are Pikachu's grim reapers.



Good Match Ups
Pichu
Bowser
Mewtwo
Donkey Kong
Game N Watch
Kirby
Luigi
Zelda

Even Fights
Mario
Dr.Mario
Roy
Link
Y.Link
Ice Climbers
JigglyPuff
Ness
Samus
Yoshi
Ganondorf
Falcon
Pikachu (>_>)

Bad Match Ups
Fox
Falco
Marth
Sheik
Peach


Agree with this list or not, its my and others opinion, and i think is VERY accurate. If you don't agree with this list, then feel free to ask me anything.

Let the chaos begin!


:chuckle:

[Melee Warrioir]

YES IM STARTING THINGS OFF!! WOOHOO!!. alright um first of all just about all of it is accurate and u did do a good job. BUT i really think that pikachu would have a tougher time with luigi and should either be put in even matchups. i say this because he can be juggled with 2 n-airs and the rest of his arials are pretty good. he has many good traits from mario as well such as his D-smash which is good range.
another thing is perhaps fox should be in between even and bad matchups, because i really believe they are neck-in-neck. their speeds are good. and when combined with their arial attacks they both have great combos. i dont see why fox has to be a bad matchup... and besides, pika even has slightly better range too.
AND omg are u serious. pika vs pika. cmon thats an uphill battle there :retard:

[pictish freak]

Jigglypuff is a good match up. A very good match up, in my experience.

Jolt forces Jiggs to come to you, it's path from a full jump is akward. Up smash kills at around 50 %. Thunderflip does it at about 40. So, how does Pika get Jiggs to 50% damage? Well, he can trade aerials using D-air, or he can harrass with jolt. Jiggs edge guarding skills are made useless from Pika's versatile recovery, and her recovery is made utterly useless by the up smash.

I feel it's gotta be a good amtch up. I agree with most of the rest, will edit/post again if I see something else to comment on.

EDIT: I feel Peach is uphill, but more on that later.

[VilNess]

quite good.
I agree of the Ness placement, must be one of the most interesting fights in SSBM
I would agree on GW´s placement, IF GW doesn´t know how to WD.
it is true that GW is light and gets killed by upsmash... but the thing is that GW outpriorises Pika and outranges usually too. If you get some nice hits in, then good! but when GW gets to do his thing then Pika can also be done for good.
Pika is most on offense, so is GW. WD gives GW some scary mobility.
And thunderjolts don´t work so good because they can be bucketed or just jumped over followed by a Key or Block.

please give me reasons why GW is low. don´t flame, intelligent discussion. I see it as a rather even matchup.

[pictish freak]

Ok, about thunderjolt:

Pikachu doesn't mind if you bucket them, he'll N-air in the lag if he has any sense of spacing.

If you leap over the jolts? Well, that's also expected. Pikachu wont be using them at times that GW will leap over and get a free shot. It's about making him approach pikachu with an akward projectile flying around.

Pika's up smash kills GW very easily, but yeah, I realise GW has somenice disjointed hit box attacks. I don't think it makes too much difference from most characters, but then, I've not had a lot of GW experience. Just enough to say what I've said so far, really. :/

[Rainy Day Toast]

Isn't this what we have tiers and known countercharacters for?

[VilNess]

Originally posted by pictish freak
Ok, about thunderjolt:

Pikachu doesn't mind if you bucket them, he'll N-air in the lag if he has any sense of spacing.



yeah, I kinda forgot to type that... but it still negates some far thunderjolts possibilities unless you jump and approach them.

Hmm. Pika could have some trouble with GW´s dtilt, since it outpriorizes Pikas groundattacks (except fsmash) and can KO pika at reasonable %

[Raider]

I think this list is pretty acurate. Through my experience all the characters except for Shiek r pretty good challanges. But it still comes down to how much better u r than ur opponent.:cool:

[frotaz37]

Originally posted by Rainy Day Toast
Isn't this what we have tiers and known countercharacters for?

Yes.

[Red Dragon]

I'm starting to see Peach as more of an uphill battle for Pikachu, but Pikachu can also do many things on her, i'll try more battles against peach and see if i made a mistake on the list.


Also, Luigi is not good against Pikachu, he can't do two neutral A's on him, just DI >_>. Luigi can't combo Pikachu as easily, and an easy Up smash to a thunder destroys the *** at middle percentages, and he also gets edge guarded easily, just go out and down aerial or neutral Aerial, better yet, tail spike.

[Raider]

I'm starting to see Ganondorf as a good matchup rather than an even fight now to. Even though he's got alot of power hes alot slower than Pikachu & really easy to dodge. I'm fighting him now & I've been side stepping him for a while.

[chesterr01]

Hmm, I find hard Pikachu vs Climbers(experienced), and Peach.

She can basically float over your jolts, have a turnip and do whatever spamming she wants, your nairs will clash in a very weird way, her dash attack pretty much rip whatever you got. Like pictish said, it's an uphill battle with a hachiroku, IMO.

As for climbers, there's pretty much a ***** for anyone with a short reach IMO, since you're prone to grabs and stuff. Fortunately, Chu is quick enough to move out of the way with good spacing. So yeah you can spam jolt and hope for an unwanted desynch and rape the cpu, but still, you're kinda in for a match if the opponent knows what he's doing.

Oh, and about Ganondorf, it's an even match IMO. Only thing is, you gotta be quick. Realize that you can run up to Dorf after he does a shffled fair, cause it'll propably come with a neutral a that ****s up whatever you bring. You want to get under him, watch out for the dreaded dair though. Dtilt him out of his shield *poke poke*. Edgeguard properly, chances are he won't escaped a well placed fsmash. Be quick, remember.

[Melee Warrioir]

hmm. can some1 explain why mewtwo is a good matchup for pikachu?

[Ice Rabbit]

Originally posted by Melee Warrioir
hmm. can some1 explain why mewtwo is a good matchup for pikachu? Floaty, so earlier up smash KO's. Light, too. Crappy statisics. Just plain crappy stats. But deadly throws.

[Red Dragon]

I played ChuDat's IceClimbers before, but Ice Climbers dont have a big advantage over Pikachu.

As to Ganondorf Raider, you probably haven't played a decent ganondorf, those fiends destroy you if you let em.

And as to peach, i see her more as a bad match-up now. Its hard to get close to her cuz she can keep you away with proper spacing and turnip spam, and its hard to make her come to you because she dodges the thunderjolts by floating, and her superior priority and range just overwhelms him if he gets close, but he can still combo her nicely. I think its a bad match up.

I'm updating the first post.


Go ahead and keep talking about good and bad match ups and why, maybe we could end up with a MORE accurate list. :D

[pictish freak]

As to Ganondorf Pictish Freak, you probably haven't played a decent ganondorf, those fiends destroy you if you let em.

Pardon? What did I say? Where? >.>;

[Red Dragon]

O_O...........you're right....you didnt say anything....

*Red Dragon now feels like a complete mental*

Its because Raider had the same avatar as you, so i confused what he said about Ganondorf with you. (I gotta stop sleeping so late >_>)

So sorry, i'll edit my post....

[pictish freak]

Heh, whoops. No worries, mate ^^

[MetaKnight0]

Mario and Doc have a chain-grab on Pikachu...

Mario has a F Smash out of the chain-grab, and Doc just plain kills fast.

I don't think they belong in the even match-up.

[Red Dragon]

Lets see....

Mario has always given me a problem, only the right Mario players though, the ones that space me out enough.

What my rival does to me is spam the fire balls from afar by jumping once, fire ball, jumping again without hitting the ground, and fire ball, and then changing the angle of where he throws the fire ball so i don't figure out his pattern, that will force me to come to him (these are in stages like final D), even though its a ***** to get through those fireballs, and when i do get there, he'll probably be the first one to unleash an attack. He edge guards me perfectly, he's been playing me for so long, he knows every single recovery pattern i have (******* ain't he :D), he usually does the back Aerial, of course im going to keep trying to come back, so he waits for the right opportunity to finish me off by either edgehogging or smash attack. He also combo's me very nicely, its hard to explain everything he does to me but it feels like such an uphill battle, but when i fight other Mario's its not a problem, i guess it also has to do with the person's battle style.


Either way, i still think Mario and Doc are even matches in a way, that lil chain grab wont work with proper DI. But i want to see what others have to say as well.

[Diddy Kong]

Originally posted by Ice Rabbit
Floaty, so earlier up smash KO's. Light, too. Crappy statisics. Just plain crappy stats. But deadly throws.

Ahem... Mewtwo is not a good match up for Pika. They are both my faves and I can tell you a good Mewtwo player can handle a Pikachu very well. And he's not light, he's the same weight as Marth, Roy and Young Link so he's a middle weight. (Very random but Fox is even lighter than Kirby 0_0)

And Pikachu Vs Pichu would be even, Pichu is a bit faster and is not always that easy to hit.

[D'oH]

I'm not understanding why Zelda vs Pika is good for Pika. At best it's going to be even.

Kick kills really easily, almost as easily as Pika's up smash. He can't spike her, and edgegaurding each other is a *****. However, Pika is perfect height for her fsmash, which can kill him good too.

Zelda's going to out range Pika in the air, with her kicks. Drop down uair on a ledge can kill at low percents too ^.^

As long is Zelda is smart about not CCing the fsmash >.<, she can pull it off, as she has more viable kills than Pika...she might even be able to shine him from far away, I'm not sure...

[cablepuff]

zelda has a good comeback move...down + B.

[D'oH]

If at first you don't succeed, press down and b!

[Unrefined]

I've just recently started messing around with Pikachu and im finding that he can chain throw Falcon/Fox basically to death.. maybe my opponents arent trying too hard, but it seems to work really well on those 2 characters.

[Bumpma]

As a Pika player I've had the hardest time fighting Peach and Ganondorf.

Ganondorf's power is unfathomable! His aerials always seem out out-prioritize mine. His aerial down smash sends me flying. pretty much everything sends me flying. Its difficult abusing jolt because a simple punch cancels it out.

Peach....gagh. I hate the dress (her downsmash! Once again, a simple punch cancels the jolt. I find that a good peach will know where pika will land from Up+B from the edge and will counter with another dress. Aerials are outprioritized, and I get abused by the veggies. And who knew her upper body strength was so good? A forward throw sends me into orbit!

So what can a pika do?

We gotta use our speed to our advantage and wait for those openings. Ive found shieldgrabbing very useful, too. Low jump aerial attacks can help keep the damage coming. Its fun to juggle ganondorf too with up+aerial.

Well thats my views on why Peach and ganondrof can prove to be uphill attles for pika.

[ANTX]

what's the better low-to-mid dmg edge knocker, uair or nair agianst dorf?

[Bumpma]

From my experience, uair works best early on until you get him above 130 or so, then a nair should be enough to send him flying. Top it off with a well timed edge-hog. pi pika :-P

[tenyearwarranty]

I do belive that Fox is an even matchup with Pikachu, I've been playing a good fox (wave shine smash) and I end up on top thanks to Pika's down smash. It sends fox flying up really high and in a very predictable flight path. A nice set up for an easy thunder kill.

Areials Peaches are even, grounded ones are hard as hell. Seeing as her down smash rips pika up like a rag toy.

Falcos, I'll leave inbetween even and bad match ups.

Ice climbers would be a bad matchup IMO. Pika has a hard time getting in close to those two, just about impossible to grab which my Pika relies heavily on. ((No joke, and none of you guys look at me funny))

[Umbreon]

past upsmash, what does pika have on mewtwo?

[JesusFreak]

What doesn't he? <_<

[Umbreon]

are you kidding. Mewtwo owns Pikachu blindfolded.

Pika is one of the few characters I would actually try Mewtwo on in a tournament. Dtilt tip and grab combos are too much. Upair isn't too nice on the rat either.

[JesusFreak]

Hmm, well I'd gladly go Pika vs your M2 If I ever get the chance. Honestly I just can't picture mewtwo doing much to Pika, but I haven't played many M2s so meh.

[SmashnTendo]

Wow,if your matchup list is pretty accurate, then I have reason why I have trouble with many good Foxes even though I'm a pretty good Pikachu myself.

[Eric the Lone]

usmash is all pika needs against m2

[Bumpma]

For M2, you have to find the right distance from Mewtwo. Far enough to avoid his throw combos, but close enough to not give him any room to charge his ball. Keep him guessing as to what you will be doing next.

[Zato-1]

I just recently picked up Zelda and she is a power house, especially her back air. What makes Zelda a good match up (besides her insanely slow attack speeds)?

[N64]

essentially, usmash owns zelda. Pika has a few other tricks vs. her, but it mostly boils down to usmash -> thunder = quick kill.

[Thomas Tipman]

um red i think ganon owns pika. when playing chars that can be fast, close to the ground, and having little range (pika) ganon can own with tilts (pivoted or plan). his tilts will intercept pikas if not just trade blows. ganons tilts can own low range chars bad, plus dtilt can put pika in a scary situation. if your ever up to it we could test this theory out in a match sometime.

oh and DK being a good match up....*pfft* i dont buy it. possibly even but no way pika got it up on him.

[N64]

yeah, I play dmac (a decent ganon) a lot, and he usually wins. So much of ganon's gets through pika's crummy sheild. If I get up close, I can do some damage, but that doesn't present itself often. Pika just doesn't have much leverage in the match, in my experience. I can edge-guard fairly well against ganon (but who can't) and my combos seem to work fairly well on him, but starting those combos is difficult. And pika dies so easily to ganon's fair or random downb, or half the other things in his arsenal.