Short-Hop Pill vs. Full Jump Pill

[GanondorftheXXVI]

I was just curious about this: which method of pill useage(sp?) is better? Some people do Sh Pill while others full jump. I'm inclined to do SH pill simply bcause that's what Cj does lol. But what are some of the advantages or disadvantages of each one?

[ChRed2AKrisp]

SH a pill means you can rush in faster, do another SHP faster. on the other hand if you do a full jump pill you could potentially get in a sex kick or uair if they get by the pill

[fraypika]

I prefer the short hop pill just because it fits my style of play and I like it better, I also mix it up every now and then. Just do whatever works best for you.

[Dr.Capsule]

Exactly.
You can't really say what's the best tactic since they're good for different things.

The SH'ed pill is better for pushing since you can continually throw them against your opponent.
Full-jumped pills is often better for setting up combos though it needs a great amount of training to learn the exact bouncing effect depending on how far from the ground you are.

You should learn both and use both. Variation and unpredictability is the key to victory in SSBM.

[pkmvodka]

ok I don't get it..

why would anyone rush using SHed pills?

the lag afterwards is just ugly..

pill rushing is overrated, it can be used like sh blasters or missile cancel.

The only way to get no lag is a single jump, and then again, you can't really rush by single jumping torward someone.

It's not like you can overwhelm someone with pills so much that you can stop him from moving.

[AmishTechnology]

Originally posted by pkmvodka
ok I don't get it..

why would anyone rush using SHed pills?

the lag afterwards is just ugly..

pill rushing is overrated, it can be used like sh blasters or missile cancel.

The only way to get no lag is a single jump, and then again, you can't really rush by single jumping torward someone.

It's not like you can overwhelm someone with pills so much that you can stop him from moving. I never understood it to, and I want to.

[pkmvodka]

its weird.

I never saw any good players using the pills the way everybody talks about them.

I'm not saying pills suck, but they aren't great to rush, it lags O_O

[VilNess]

eww... fulljump-> pill-> landwavedash (towards or away from enemy)-> great approach

or: fulljump->pill->doublejump->pill-> landwavedash if you wanna get unpredictable.

[pkmvodka]

mind explaining how can you rush using SHed fastfalled pills?

I don't get it.

It's written everywhere in the FAQ posted.

[Dr.Capsule]

You just shorthop, throw a pill and then fastfall.
Sure, there's lag but since the pills kinda slow you could do the same thing maybe twice or thrice. If the opponent just stands there and blocks you could run forward and grab them thanks to the little lag the pills induces. If he counters them with little attacks you could try smacking him in the minimal delay he has.(kinda hard but what the heck, taking chances is what makes this game so **** fun)
If he actually gets hit, just smack him with a F-Air or whatever.
And if he jumps you're in for a Dragonball. (Anyone read/seen Dragonball where Goku shoots a ball his opponent, the opponent jumps up and Goku follows them up and intercepts them?) :p
Just jump up and smack them away.
I admit, pill-rushes isn't that great but you gotta remember that it's quantity over quality. You should almost always have a pill going for your opponent to interrupt his attacks and rack up a little damage. Done right it's really frustrating for your opponent since much of his offensive game will be ruined. And if you're pro part of his defensive game will be wasted to. So you wreck both his offensive AND defensive game.
Of course this recquires lots of training with each players every character since you gotta remember how every **** character can be played otherwise.
Pillrushing is just a matter of immense training. You could probably finish FFVII instead of getting pillrushes down but if you're really interested in mastering Doc, you should practice instead.

And no, I don't know if pills are good against top-players since I haven't played one.

Hope it helped. :)

[VilNess]

well pills are quite easy to powershield if they come in middle of your body.
and powershielding/reflecting pills can mess up any doc quite effectively... who relies on pills a bit too much.

[Kirby Squad]

You should mix them up cuz when u do full jump pill... u can triangle jump towards ur opponent and do a downsmash or whatever like really fast... I use it a lot and it works against the best players in my country :d

[ANTX]

FJ Pill into DJ Fair rox da sox off my buddy knox.