Falco's dash kick combination

[falcoblazes]

Sorry i didn't sent this thread in my last post, but is it better to do Falco's nair into (utilt) or nair into (shine), or his dash into (utilt) or dash into (shine)?

Note: i haven't tried the dash into utilt, nor the dash in to shine, because i've been practicing my L-canceling by doing nair into shine.

[Zanguzen]

It depends on the percentage of your opponent.

If your opponent has low percent: dash into utilt is better. Keep using the utilt until you know your opponent will go too high to utilt again. At that point, use a shine instead. Follow it with a dair or if you got your opponent to a reasonably high %, try to finish with the uair.

If your opponent has high percent: dash into shine is better. Dash, shine, shinecancel into a dair. Or again, if your opponent has high enough %, use a uair or nair (based on your position) instead of the dair.

This is all in my experience however. I'm sure it also varies based on how fast your opponent falls.

Just don't go trigger happy with the dash. Shieldgrabbing can be a real problem for Falco.

[soberfox]

Yes, shield grabbing is a huge issue when dealing with Falcos dash attack, and for a good reason. IT'S SO EASY TO SHIELD...THEN GRAB!! LOLOLOL

I reccommend against that move, but if your going to use it, don't do it anymore than twice a game.

[falcoblazes]

ok so whats some good moves should i spam, i usually spam his dair in to shine, shinecancel,ect. Thats my air game,.... oh and nair one of my favorite moves with Falco. My ground game, i usually SH, nair and try to shine the player whom i'm playing but anytime i hit the player whom i'm playing i don't go as far enough to shine them.

anyway i spam my SHL into shine or dtilts then back in the air, can u all tell me what else should i do that would help or are the way i'm playing is fine?

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Originally posted by soberfox
Yes, shield grabbing is a huge issue when dealing with Falcos dash attack, and for a good reason. IT'S SO EASY TO SHIELD...THEN GRAB!! LOLOLOL

I reccommend against that move, but if your going to use it, don't do it anymore than twice a game.

[ChRed2AKrisp]

Originally posted by soberfox
Yes, shield grabbing is a huge issue when dealing with Falcos dash attack, and for a good reason. IT'S SO EASY TO SHIELD...THEN GRAB!! LOLOLOL

I reccommend against that move, but if your going to use it, don't do it anymore than twice a game.
if they shield through the duration of the dash and you shine immediately after the dash wouldn't it shine the opponent b4 they could grab? Or is this another optimistic idea?

[Hoefler]

Ahhggg.... bottom line guys: Don't dash attack with space animals. It's just bad.

My 6th grade neihbhor* (oh man, I've never been able to spell that!) uses dash attacks; he = nub.

[Zanguzen]

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And I don't think one could shine after a dash attack unless the opponent's grab is delayed. As soon as Falco nears the opponent's shield, a grab at that point will nullify the dash so you won't be able to shine.

As for the poster's routine, it sounds good. But don't forget uair and SHL to fsmash are two very useful moves. Constantly using nair will get a bit too predictable. Occasinally its good to do your own grabs which can lead to tilt combos, uair, etc. Other than that, if you're spamming your SHL as possible, I think your routine is fine.

[CORY]

crossup with the dash attack and you can catch them with a shine/utilt if they grab while you're behind them.

you can also try to catch them with it in the air at lower damage since they can't cc/shield it, but there're probably better options. overall, just use it to mixup a bit, especially after shl.

[Nephilim]

You know you can do the dash attack a little later than usual and it will carry you past your opponents shield.

All you would have to worry about then is your opponent countering with a sh b air out of the shield but up tilt takes care of that.

Space animals dash attack is good.

[Rebel581]

Originally posted by Nephilim
You know you can do the dash attack a little later than usual and it will carry you past your opponents shield.

All you would have to worry about then is your opponent countering with a sh b air out of the shield but up tilt takes care of that.

Space animals dash attack is good.

Haven't you been listening? It's easy to shield-grab. And I agree that it really is. And then they get grabbed, they try it again, repeat everything over again. It's not good, period.

[CORY]

do you read? he said start it late so you end up behind them. that's a cross up. they can't grab you when you're behind them. they can still get you by jumping out of their shield, but if you just use it as a mixup and not constantly, you can get some fun happening.

[ivootjes(nr18)]

Peach can grab someone from behind :rolleyes:
And yeah, it can be good, but don't use it to often.

[Nephilim]

CORYs got my back.

I didn't say spam the dash attack I told you of a better way to use it. Alot of Fox/Falco players know about this.

Shffld d air and n air cancelled into shines are so much safer but you get predictable.

Fox and Falco have great approaching games you just gotta mix it up.

[Rebel581]

Originally posted by CORY
do you read? he said start it late so you end up behind them. that's a cross up. they can't grab you when you're behind them. they can still get you by jumping out of their shield, but if you just use it as a mixup and not constantly, you can get some fun happening.

Even if you delay it it can still be grabbed. Grabs overide any attack. So you just grab them during the attack instead of after it's over. And some grabs grab behind them too. I know that's what always happens to me. So it should only be used when the person can't shield and is in a combo.

[Nephilim]

No they can't.

We are talking about shield grabs.

You kick their shield and they get shield stun, they can't move at all when their shield is stunned. The momentum of the dash attack safely carries you behind them where they can't grab you. Even if they can grab from behind that doesn't always happen and you should be up tilting as soon as you get behind your opponent so they are forced to move away.

Its the exact same thing as shffling an aerial and landing behind your opponent. Same. Exact. Thing.

[Zanguzen]

Isn't it possible to shield grab even as the dash begins? For example, Marth can grab me no matter when or where I start the dash as long as I'm facing him. Is there some way to avoid this? Otherwise, the fact that the dash will stun the shield wouldn't play into effect since the opponent should have grabbed when the Falco was in front of him. I'm not used to playing experienced shield grabbers, so I'm just putting this out there based on my experience.

[CORY]

if they grab while you're running up, even as marth, they still face the risk of getting hit by your attack before their grab comes out.