Falcos Nightmare Characters

[Tiller420]

i think falco fears link ganon and of course the powerful puff Jiggly.

Links up b is way effective

Ganon straight up power and good moves for vs a falco

Jiggly just rapes falco period if pro players i would bet on jiggly

[JesusFreak]

Falco RAPES Ganon. Too fast, projectiles, and a spike that takes complete advantage of Ganon's already unfortunate Up+b.

Link and Falco are about even.

Puff is definitely good against Falco, so is Peach.


But there's already a topic about this, so I'm sure this will be closed soon.

[soberfox]

Yes, Puff is the only "bad" matchup for Falco you listed. Link isn't an EASY matchup, but definetly far far away from being a nightmare, and Ganon is laughable.

[Umbreon]

marth will take a crap in your cereal.

[UndrDog]

Mow - Just as I was thinking! LoL!

Note: Any large character with a limited recovery moves are easily pwned by Falco. Link, though he is on the slower side, has the ability to stand up to Falco. Its odd really, hes slower moving, slow attacks and easliy juggled yet he can find a way to give Falco a run for his money. Just wanted to add that if Samus can control the pace of the match, I think that she is a good canidate for a decent Falco counter. ...I can hope cant I...

[Pathetiqu3]

Link, while slow, has various fail-safes to protect him quickly. His boomerand and bomb can be utilized to slow falco down enough for him to go into one of his uber attacks like Down throw to up B, which can really ruin even Fox's day. Also, if he thrown into the Air, his down A has outstanding Priority over alot of Falco's moves.

[soberfox]

Link's throws are great against Falco as well.

[Zanguzen]

Yea Jiggly can cause a problem, but good mindgames w/ SHL can make Jiggly relatively easy since well-timed uairs are easy finishers. Falco's biggest nightmare character (i.e. counter) is definitely Marth. The best edgeguarder vs. the worst recoverer practically says it all. But there's also the disgusting uthrow to utilt combo, chain throws, and the fsmash can easily spell death at relatively low percents (50+).

[frotaz37]

Falco vs. Ganon is like, the worst matchup in the game. I seriously can't think of a worse matchup. Man, I'd rather play as Pikachu against Sheik.

[Nephilim]

Marth vs Falco is very stage dependant but I would say Marth has the edge on Falco in most cases.

You know who else beats up Falco? A better Falco.

[Suretman]

Puff is definitely good against Falco, so is Peach

Peach? I thought it was the other way around.

IMO the only characters that are nightmares for falco are: jigglypuff and a better falco as Nephilim said.

[ShineOfScott-SOS]

a good fox is a nightmare for falco, and puff is nt that bad

[GanondorftheXXVI]

Jigglypuff I have yet to see about, bu I'm assuming you guys are right. I think Falco's biggest nightmare is MARTH. Falco eats one tipper for a minor screw up, goes off the edge, marth edgeguards, that's one stock life down. Marth only has to find a few opportunities in order to kill falco. Falco is forced to do mind games and combo marth to high percents and/or get him off for a spike. thing is, even if falco's doing well, marth can gain the advantage with single mistake on falco's behalf, and falco can hardly do the same.

As for ganon... people complaining about his recover and I dont know why. He has one of the better one IMO (not one of the best). Very far reaching and he has a couple of options off the edge. Everybody here is assuming OMFG HE'S OFF THE EDGE HEZ GONNA GET P0WN3D BY DA SP1K3!!!!. But Ganon (and some other characters) can often times go above the edge, and the spike many times ends up a matter of guessing games, whether falco wants to full jump or not.

I'm guessing Falco has the advantage over Ganon if he can keep up the pressure, but be aware that ganon can punish very well and off the edge means certain death for falco against ganon, while vice versa this might not always apply....

[Vault Dweller]

I'm going to have to say that Fox, while he has a few advantages on a Falco, is by no means his weakness. However, if the Fox has shining down, like say constantly pulling it off for Falco's forward B/ Up B, then Falco will have some very serious problems, but not until the Fox gets to that level of play.

[chesterr01]

I've been playing Falco for quite a while now. Personnally, I find it hard to play effectively against these chars (not ordered by "ticking me off"-ness).

1- Jigglypuff
Falco has pretty much no good move to get in the zone against Jigglypuff, and trying to kill her is almost as hard as swatting a fly with a chopstick. WoP pretty much kills Falco's approch, and SHB doesn't provide enough help for his game. Since Puff will mostly sway back and forth, aerial and ground, and hard to get a winning pattern for Falco.
EDIT: I just realized that Falco can crouch cancel and do stuff. So yeah, I should try and work out a few strats with that. Someone work for me please.

One tip: try to be precise, and grabs lead to ugly stuff, and I'm not only talking about up+throw rest. Oh, and even though Falco's recovery gets raped by pretty much everybody in the game, Jiggly makes it useless.

2- Marth
Grab = lots of pain. You'll get maimed. And you don't wanna get grabbed. Why? Upthrow, then anything you wanna imagine: fsmash, fair, nair, whatever. My Marth isn't very flashy, but I've discovered that "upthrow, fair, ff uair" works wonders against Falco.
Your SHB will be your best friend in this match. Shine into up air, don't get grab; SHB into shine/grab, dtilt, don't get grabbed. Shoot the crap out of him when he's recovering, edgehog, and if you can, waveglide past him into a fsmash or something.

3- Peach.
Fear the downsmash. ooooh.... Uncharged, Falco DI upwards, he'll still get hit a lot and get a crapload of damage. Stupid downsmash. Grab can lead to pretty ugly stuff, mostly the upthrow, miss the DI as mid percentages and eat a nair, baby. And if you're off stage, watch out for the turnips, you get hit by one, and it'll stun you enough to be prone to edgehogging or some other crap.

If she edgeguards with dsmash, I recommend you always try to tech on the edge (even if you can't, tapping block is always a good habit with all chars). Hold up and fwd+b into the princess, catching her at the end of her smash. SHB can pretty much negate her airgame, keeping her on the floor, but when you get in, it's that nasty dsmash that'll kill you. So yeah...

All the other chars are pretty ok for Falco, IMO.

[Zanguzen]

Peach can be very dangerous- I would know- but a very good SHL game mixed with catching turnips can really hurt Peach's game as long as you stay away from her grabbing game. Dair is really useful in this matchup, otherwise you'll find yourself being shield-grabbed or perhaps dash attacked.