Counter-characters (Roy) [Archive]

En.Ee.Oh

10-28-2004, 12:38 AM

From top to bottom:

1. Samus (CC and weight/survivability shut down roy's game)
2. Falco (laser and cc at low % KILL roy's game on fd, platform's/DIing up throws and down tilts on platform stages kill roy's game)
3. Link (same as samus except w/ more annoying projectiles)
4. Marth only to a certain extent because marth and roy have the same attacking capabilities only marth does it 10x better.. so basically marth getting inside roy's sword difficulty for marth <<<<<<<<<<< roy getting inside marth's sword difficult for roy

and out of all those chars, falco rapes them all LOL

done.. and anyone who wants to question this shyt, suck a dik

D'oH

11-23-2004, 10:39 PM

Actually, Zelda does quite good against Roy.

Zelda vs Roy is easy. Unlike Marth, Roy does not have the power to keep her the perfect distance away; landing kicks and smashes becomes extremly easy. Also, Roy's aerial game is somewhat lacking.

Zelda can easily take advantage of Roy's poor recovery; the kick sends far horizontally and her spikes, generally unexpected, will send him too far below to recover. Edgeguarding is all too easy.

Roy also has trouble killing Zelda, due to not having a good vertical KO move; Zelda can keep coming back from horizontal attacks due to Farore's Wind's distance.

However, there is one thing Roy has over Zelda; the counter. Although fairly predictable, the amount of damage a countered kick can do is pretty bad; 30% is relatively alot.

Lxl

11-24-2004, 09:14 AM

Whatever happened to Jigglypuff in the list? Her air game rocks Roy around the stage, though Rest can be considerably difficult to connect. And her bair edgeguards Roy very easily. The only thing Roy can take advantage of is her lightness. A fsmash can kill her at low percentages >.<

Hmm. That's the same for Zelda. She's so darn light. She's usually killed before she can UpB back to the stage horizontally... or vertically.

Edit : Okay, maybe she's not *darn* light, but Roy's fsmash is enough to kill her at at least mid-high percentages.

Grieving Leo

11-24-2004, 11:40 AM

do you think DK can counter Roy?

D'oH

11-24-2004, 12:47 PM

Zelda's like the same weight as Peach and Sheik, so she's not that light.

Trust me, Zelda can survive a long time.

Inkslinger

11-25-2004, 02:27 AM

do you think DK can counter Roy? Well, Roy has trouble killing DK and it's a pretty bad matchup for him

CosmicSlice

11-25-2004, 09:30 AM

considering they both dont go far in the ways of projectiles, i think that roy has a little more range with his sword rather than DK's moveset. double edged dance is probably pretty easy to pull off on a DK, but DK's moves probably wouldnt combo or even hit so well on someone not so heavy like Roy..

Lxl

11-25-2004, 10:48 AM

Alright Darkness, I'll take your word for it since I don't know the statistics and I don't play against Zelda often.

ArC_man

11-25-2004, 05:28 PM

Just because CJ's dk beat masashi's roy doesnt mean that dk counters roy.

Inkslinger

11-26-2004, 01:59 AM

ArC Man I'm talking from personal experience not some vids.

MookieRah

12-02-2004, 08:53 PM

My guess is that the Roy DK matchup would be roughly even, but then again I haven't played any really DK's so this is just a hypothesis.

Zelda is a pain in the *** for Roy, but I wouldn't go so far to say that she is a counter for Roy.

Falco is definitely Roy's worst matchup.

Samus is a pain, but with powershielding it would lessen the burden of the matchup. Still a ***** and a half.

Peach is just as bad as Samus. She is just frustrating in a different way. Learning to catch turnips helps in this matchup, but sometimes a turnip in your hand can **** your options up.
*Clenches fist at Mike G* j/k

I wouldn't consider Marth a counter for Roy. Marth definitely has the advantage, but it's not so much of one to consider him a counter. Sheik is more of a counter for Roy than Marth is.

cablepuff

12-03-2004, 12:53 AM

it is WAY easier to beat roy with marth then with shiek. IMO.

MookieRah

12-03-2004, 01:36 AM

Trust me, Sheik is much much worse. Insanely fast, easy combos, chain grab, and badass kill moves... On the other hand Marth's main advantages is his tipping and fairs. Tippers and crazy fair combos can be devastating, but they aren't as devastating as Sheik's crazyness.

Umbreon

12-09-2004, 11:20 AM

I must be nuts, I actually like playing Roy vs sheik. Roy ****s her **** all up.

JesusFreak

12-09-2004, 12:10 PM

Actually I've noticed that Roy seems to do pretty well against Sheik too. And Yes DK is pretty good against Roy. Roy is one of the few characters that is not a fast faller, but is still heavy enough for DK to combo. His recovery sux too, and is easily taken out by DK's great edgeguarding away from the stage.

I'd say it's a 5.5:4.5 advantage for DK. It's still pretty even, but DK does have a slight edge.

MookieRah

12-09-2004, 03:18 PM

I must be nuts too Mow, cept I like Roy vs Marth, cause Roy ****s his **** all up.

Roy is a fastfaller, but doesn't fall as fast as the traditional fast fallers, but for his weight he falls really fast. I am pretty sure he is actually a lil lighter than Marth :-P. I don't feel like checking that at the moment though.

Zarelid

12-10-2004, 12:09 PM

Falco vs Roy is hard but I dunno I like fighting Falcos with Roy =/ I mean sure Falco has ALOT on Roy but Roy has SOME stuff on him that can be murder. like when Falcos off the stage it's over for Falco, I know it'shard getting him off because of lazer, but I just jump over lazers, and on a stage like FD it's easier to jump over them I'd say. and then you land at him with a forward air or down air to a grab and then from their MANY things like up throw then >B>B>B knocking him off the stage sometimes and he's done. but Falco beats Roy I know.

Samus vs roy I think is the worst match up. Samus or PEach, it's just stupid Roy has a hard time killing in general and those 2 never die AND CC owns Roy, giving Roy no chance to win(I know it's possiable). they have great recovery which can be beat, but the CC is just insanely ridculous with those 2

Y.Linkpwnsurmom

12-16-2004, 09:24 AM

Well heres my opinion on this,

Roy vs Marth is a much easier matchup for me than Roy vs Shiek. Roy and Marth can both combo eachother pretty well, and the only Marth that really smoked me was someone who played Neo all the time, on the other hand Shieks will whip me on a regular basis, maybe I'm just bad aginst Shiek I don't know but I'd fight a Marth over a Shiek anyday. As for Zelda and DK, yea Zeldas a pain, if your careless and try to F-smash, stick with the N-air and....well thats about all your gonna wanna use, that and grabs. If you grab her you might be able to combo her. DK, I don't know, he doesn't seem like he would be a Roy counter, hes so big and usually a big charater will find there way into Roy's sweet spot.

Falco, I don't remember what it was but last tourny I went to I found a stragety that did work vs him...but....seeing as I can't remember that doesn't help, and he does have plenty on Roy.

And finnaly Samus, yeah the missle spaming and the fact that you can't edge guard her cause of that stupid bomb trick does make her a very hard fight for Roy.

xX Hector

08-12-2006, 08:14 AM

Looks like even Rebel was a noob at one point... ^^

King_Gt

08-13-2006, 12:25 AM

no one mite believe this but young link and roy weigh the same

just check for urself at MK
it surprised me

xX Hector

08-14-2006, 05:15 AM

..........o.O

King_Gt

08-14-2006, 10:55 AM

and he falls as fast as DK
how does that work??
Roy's physics are really weird
he falls like a fat*** but weighs as much as a lil kid

LemonManX

08-31-2006, 02:10 AM

Falco is a tough match up, Samus and Peach also give Roy trouble. So I'd say those three, I'm so very sick of Samus and all her ****ed projectiles, and then getting in close she destroys as well. **** her, haha.

NJzFinest

08-31-2006, 09:51 AM

xx Hector, wtf, why don't you need old threads die? Everyone was a noob at one point, get over it.

REJ-

09-02-2006, 12:13 AM

NJzFinest

09-02-2006, 12:47 AM

I don't think that Marth is really a counter for Roy. Roy's sword has a longer reach than Marth's, so he could still hit out of Marth's range, at the expense of not being as strong as his sweetspot hits are. It's not much, but it's something.
Are you kidding? Marth's sword definately has more range and it's sweetspot IS it's tip and alll...
Marth rapes Roy, but I'll give you some credit because your new to competitive smash (you don't know ****).

Rebel581

09-02-2006, 10:31 AM

0_o Man, if this **** keeps happening in the Roy thread EVERY time I pay a little visit I'm going to just stop coming back until Brawl finally releases. Man, yes, I was a n00b. Still am. Except I'm a n00b with more common sense than to revive a two year old thread.

-_-'

D'oH

09-02-2006, 11:41 AM

Rebel's sucha n00b!!

lollerz

That was like back when I thought Zelda was a good character.

<3

Umbreon

09-02-2006, 12:33 PM

roys really bad matches:

peach
falcon
falco
fox
sheik
zelda
samus
marth

the rest are bad too but generally tolerable.

edit: zelda IS a good character. don't hate.

NJzFinest

09-02-2006, 03:50 PM

edit: zelda IS a good character. don't hate.

WWWOOOORRDDDD :cool:

exarch

09-03-2006, 04:08 AM

Mario wtf rapes roy. worst matchup for roy imo. him or peach.

Umbreon

09-03-2006, 01:59 PM

dash dance and over B more

Rebel581

09-04-2006, 08:35 PM

Thanks for the bump Mow. Why don't we sticky this while we're at it?

actionlen

09-05-2006, 10:54 AM

Actually DK is very good against Roy, his Ftilt Goes true roys sword, his Fair goes true it, his bair, and Dk has a good grab game against roy.
I know just because CJ wins it doesn't mean Donkey Kong is better, But a lot of Dk player know there grab game. And Are very good.

NJ'zFinest

09-05-2006, 10:58 AM

yea, actionlen, more and more Roy players are realizing that DK is a Roy counter.
I LOVE comboing Roy with DK, too good

NJzFinest

09-05-2006, 12:03 PM

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d130/thelovebelow781/asda.jpg
to whoever gave me this for the post made here: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=1696799&postcount=27
Yes, I do know ****. Think I learned nothing over the 2 years playing competitive players? lol, some ***got needs to calm the **** down.
I'll just assume it's Iced or Sgt. Conan :laugh:

exarch

09-05-2006, 12:44 PM

I know DK has nice comboes on roy, but roy has nasty style comboes right back. Got my crewmate's DK to 70's after the fsmash every life last time we played.

I don't think DK is a true counter.

Mario->1 grab=Roy loses a stock.
Icys->1 grab=Roy loses a stock.

I'm just trying to point out matches that other people haven't brought up yet. Yes the aforementioned matches are bad too.

IMO Roy doesn't really have any good matches, or any really bad ones. He's just got a whole bunch of -1's and -2's.