Better Doc/Mario players

[Pey]

Who are some excellent Doc/Mario players? I know Azen is, and I've seen BluChu, but I'm looking to see some different people use Mario. Any help?

[W.J]

You should check out vids on Scav, Lipton buddy, Mike, Caveman, Muffin, and definatley Captain Jacks Doc

[BcB]

i like to fancy myself as a really good doc player. ill make some vids sometime. so u can see my 573375

[Cyphus]

they have some vids of me fighting Usea.
Just search for "Meleemasterx". I know usea, surely holds them.
They're not exactly old...but nothing new. I personally look at them, dissapointed-being significantly better, now.
But either way, they're pretty cool vids.

And u can at least see how well a Doc Guide maker is...as aposed to somebody who goes to national tournies frequently =_=
(**** THE V-GAMES!!!)

[Mav]

CSX and Young Ic3 are making a trailer for Omnismash that involves combo's by different players from FL. So you'll probably see my Mario in the trailer. I like to think it's very sexy =)

[Pey]

Originally posted by meleemasterx
they have some vids of me fighting Usea.
Just search for "Meleemasterx". I know usea, surely holds them.
They're not exactly old...but nothing new. I personally look at them, dissapointed-being significantly better, now.
But either way, they're pretty cool vids.

Yeah, I just watched the one of you on FD, the black doc who does a sweet meteor cancel at the start.

[tehownage]

Just watch vids of Liptonbuddy, he is best Mario ever.

[Zephel]

I am (Mario), but the only way to prove it is with a video. Luckly, my friends at College and I play Smash all day and some of them know how to convert videos and such. I'll tell you when we make one.

[Pey]

I look forward to seeing your videos. :rolleyes:

[Red Dragon]

My vote for the Sexiest, not best Mario, goes to Maverick. :chuckle:

[Liptonbuddy]

Originally posted by tehownage
Just watch vids of Liptonbuddy, he is best Mario ever.

I suck. ^^

[SynikaL]

I'm the best Mario/Doc player.

Who want's to disagree?


>.>

<.<

*cracks knuckles*


-Syn

[RockCrock]

Maverick has the best Mario, hands tied behind his back...

Go Mave!

[Dr.Capsule]

For Doc you should check out Mike and Captain Jack.
For Mario check out "Brown Mario", there should be a couple in here:
http://ssbm.captainjack.jp/index2.html

[VilNess]

yeah, brown mario was awesome!
I especially liked his utilts and uairs comboes and his fast moving!

[Pey]

He was really good. The Japenese have such a different playing style.

[fraypika]

BcB docs pretty good, i also think captain jacks doc is just awesome. Never really seen or heard of to many good marios.

[Bob Money]

Im a little curious as to hwy more people play doc...Hmmm Mario very appealing with wall jumps, Up b glitch, great recovery and range geez i dunno why i play doc :confused: Whatever
Why in the HEck is Mario taller than DOc...Same person!


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[Mr.C]

Doc
------
1.Captain Jack
2.CaveMan
3.Mike/me

Mario
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1.Brown Mario
2.i believe Flok/Scav
3-5. prolly me

[The GERM]

Best Doc?...............BOB MONEY!!!

[GanondorftheXXVI]

Captain Jack and Mike have the best Docs IMO. But their playing styles are very different. Mike plays an "American" Doc, which involves a slightly more show-offy style (dunno just an impression I get). Nonetheless, you watch Mike, and Doc immediately seems better than you thought he was:D.
Captain Jack though... he's different. I think he has the best doc simply because he managed to beat azen's MARTH a couple of times. And if you look at his doc you see that his playing style is pretty simple. The only thing that seems technically challenging that CJ does with doc are those U-air comboes. Otherwise, he plays simply, the guy just knows when to do what. And CJ's playing style can serve as a very big encouragement for people to use doc.

[The GERM]

Originally posted by GanondorftheXXVI
Mike plays an "American" Doc,

.................Mike's Canadian...........hehehehe.....eh?...sorry i had to.

[GanondorftheXXVI]

Originally posted by The GERM
.................Mike's Canadian...........hehehehe.....eh?...sorry i had to.

Hence the quotation marks.

[Konkey Dong]

i wouldnt separate jack and i due to "style". especially considering there is no such thing as american style, or if it does exist, im not part of it. my style was strictly developed out of my own experience, meaning another doc has never taught me anything, except jack showed me some neat ways to grab a sheik. even then, that not really a technique or style issue.

once again it just comes down to player discretion or "mind games" and yet people still try to simplify that kind of thing down to move choice or certain combos. like i see people saying their doc is similiar to jacks because they use the same moves/approaches he does. WTF. that doesnt mean anything. smash is a simple game of mistakes and capitalizing on them/recovering from them. technique is only how WELL u deal with those mistakes, but no matter what, u always have to get that first hit in regardless of what u do afterwards. that what separates the n00bs from pros in smash. the pros worry about getting that first hit in, n00bs **** around thinking about kewl infinates and "shuffles" and "0-80" combos. sure all of those are important, but you are thinking too far ahead of yourself.

it was like me when i tried to get into starcraft last year. the gamez been out since what 98? i get into it watching RECENT replays/vids of pro players, then trying to immitate their crazy strategies. it just doesnt work that way i quickly found out, because there were so many basics i still had to cover. i find this same problem in the smash community. peepl watch recent vids of very experienced players and simplify their gameplay down into a few sentences and neat little acronyms, but completely ignore so many other factors due to lack of experience. those factors are also ignored by vets too cuz frankly they are hard to verbalize so peepz just use the words "mind games" and that kinda lazily covers all of that.

anyhow just watch some mlg vid on the hub where m3d interviews jack he say something like "jack where do american players need to improve?" jack replies liek "they need to learn how to win". sooooooooooooooo true.

so ya i ranted their cuz that what happens when i start typin and theres cool songs coming off winamp. in conclusion, jack is just a smarter, more experienced player. i find my doc more technically sound than his with how i can move around a map. that doesnt mean anything when he can fight sheik's 3 times better than i can ^_^.

-oh and side note, doc vs marth is much easier than doc vs sheik. i think jack would agree on that too.

[VilNess]

whoathanksforthe input konkeydong!
ít´s nice that someone experienced posts here.
I wouldn´t still call people admiring combos noobs or anything, because when you get the hit you have to know how to follow up with the best way (be it damagewise, unpredictability wise or somthing). I´ve been lately practising the percents where ness can grab someone after a dair-popup, and how to combo someone to its max. it seems to be help me.
But learning towin is fatal as you said.

[Dr.Capsule]

It's just like you say Konkey, just because you try to play similar to CJ or your Doc doesn't mean you play just like.
I'm currently playing like 10 characters and my skill with them ranges from half-crap to pretty good. I know most of the techs like
shffl'ing, wavedashing, all those cancels and what not?
Still, my C.Falcon is nopt nearly as good as my friends Falcon who can't shffl nor WD. He simply has a bigger understanding of the timing, range and recovery of all Falcons moves. I don't stand a chance against him even though I'm far faster.

Same thing with my Doc. Maybe my Doc is almost as technical as yours (not bragging or anything) but when I look at those vids I still realise you have far more understanding of all the basics.

It's like in Street Fighter. A pro uses the basic attacks, he doesn't spam Hadouken, Shoryuken and similar techniques. (Like I do when playing Street Fighter :p )

I used to care about shffl'ing and wanted to learn how to do a infinite because it was so **** kewl but in the long run I realised
it really didn't matter. It was of course quite helpful and enabled me to have tons of fun with Ganon and DK but I still need lots of training until I really understand the exact "values" for all their attacks.

It's the basics that counts, right? :)

[lollers4u]

pow

[fraypika]

Spamming the cool moves in street fighter rules. I like to be the claw person and climb the cage, man thats so kick ***

[TestRider]

anyhow just watch some mlg vid on the hub where m3d interviews jack he say something like "jack where do american players need to improve?" jack replies liek "they need to learn how to win". sooooooooooooooo true.

Funny, coming from a Sheik player who doesn't chain throw.

[Konkey Dong]

so u saying jack doesnt know how to chain throw? u obviously missing my point (or perhaps takin this discussion in the wrong direction), because jack obviously can chain throw. that is an issue of honor to him, not skill or his ABILITY to win and likewise this topic is a discussion of skill, not honor.

[TestRider]

Well that's the same thing. When you limit your abilities for questions of "honor", you don't know how to win.

[Konkey Dong]

are u sure u know the difference between knowledge and application? are u saying since i "limit" myself from say killing someone on the street, that i myself do not know how to kill?

[TestRider]

Jack was bashing American players, while he lost to one in the finals of a tournament with 1000$ on the line because he didn't chain throw. Doesn't matter if he knows how to do it or not, he doesn't use it, so it makes no difference.

[TurquoiseYoshi]

Actually CJ said something like " Well, Just play me." to the question of what can americans learn from the japanese style of play. And like konkey Dong was talking about, that is a hard question to answer because they both basically know all the current tehniques so you can't just say well.....the american style needs to do this technique this way. It's just a matter of experience pretty much.

[GanondorftheXXVI]

About Konkey's post before... that is just too **** true. In the end, it comes down to who gets the first hits in, and how well you recover from having made mistakes that have let you opponent have the initiative. The basics are the most important but many people (Including me lol) tend to overlook them.
For example, when I went to my first and only tourney I got crushed by seasoned players doing shffls. I thought then "If I learn shffls, I'll be mad good." So I did learn shuffles, and while they definitely helped, they didnt help as much as I though they would. That's because in learning shffls and wavedashes I neglected the basics... they are very easy to neglect. They dont stand out in a match. No hit, no shffl, counts, if it does not hit. This is exactly what I meant in a topic I made a while ago titled "The mind games you don't see," to which mike was also kind enough to contribute his input.
So yeah...

[Konkey Dong]

ya he did say just play me and then right after he say like learn how to win. and he wasnt bashing american players, testrider, if u actually watched the vid (which i now doubting u did), jack didnt just outright say how americans could improve, he was ASKED and also in such a manner like "dont worry, we wont be offended". so what u expect him to say? turquiose yoshi pretty much hit it, its a matter of experience.

[TestRider]

No, I didn't watch it. I just found it a bit awkward that a player who doesn't chain throw, even in an important tournament's finals, would go and say such a thing.

[chesterr01]

well, IMO, CJ just showed that he can still kick *** without chain grabbing cause the rest of his game was enough to compete well enough. Sure, you could try and set your entire game on chain grabs, but he could play in his own way and still kick ***. So I don't think you can say anything about him not working for a win enough, or whatever.

[TestRider]

Yes I can, since his Sheik got chain-grabbed to death by Azen's.

[Cyphus]

CJ would chain throw IF HE COULD...
why does EVERYONE forget the japanese version doesn't let sheik chainthrow 1/4th as good as the 1st american version?
so so more saying stuff like CJ was trying not to be cheap...cuz for 1000 bucks and championship title..he used everything he could, like azen did