Up throw kills jumps?

[The Cape]

Earlier today I was playing Kirby and used Kirby's up throw on my one of my friends. I then procceded to fall off the level and tried fantically to jump, but against all my wishes I couldn't. I could have recovered with B and up but I did not think of it in time.

Anyone know if the up throw kills your jumps?

[Omnigamer]

Yes, using the uthrow takes away all jumping ability, so careful when near an edge.

[quickman_Zero]

I'm pretty sure the forward and back throw also take all Kirby's jumps away. Just be careful and eveything should be be fine.

[.:ßio§torm7:.]

I have a friend that uses Kirby's thow abilites off ledges just out of spite, or he'll just pop you in his mouth and spit you out under the ledge. He enjoys kamikaze tactics w/ kirby mostly because he feels than in SSBM Kirby is a sad pitiful creature at the end of his rope and has nothing to lose :D

If he has the same (or more) number of lives as you and you come too close to to "his" ledge he grabs you and screams "Kirby is taking you to H3LL w/ him!!!"

[Omnigamer]

You realize that Kirby's suicide throws are perfectly escapeable, right? But I don't think this is the right topic for discussing these um... "tactics".

I'm sure most players already know this, but since it concerns loss of jumping ability, I felt that I should add it. If you are anywhere in the process of doing Kirby's Final Cutter and get hit by an attack, you will lose all jumping ability.

[Rebel581]

Originally posted by Omnigamer
You realize that Kirby's suicide throws are perfectly escapeable, right? But I don't think this is the right topic for discussing these um... "tactics".

I'm sure most players already know this, but since it concerns loss of jumping ability, I felt that I should add it. If you are anywhere in the process of doing Kirby's Final Cutter and get hit by an attack, you will lose all jumping ability.

Well it's an up+b so every up+b does that too even if your hit. And I remember hearing that if you press A during Kirby's bakc and forward throw you'll escape. Just pressing it once.

[Omnigamer]

There's a specific formula regarding escaping Kirby's throws that's dependent on damage and certain button presses, etc.

*Checks Mew2King's info guide quickly*

Edit: Hmm... apparently there's no specific formula listed in there. Perhaps it's just the regular grab formula then? But still you can escape far before you would normally be able to... something to look into, I guess.

[quickman_Zero]

Well it certainly isn't just one press of A that lets you escape, it get's harder to escape the higher the percentage. I got my bro to mash A in training mode at 999% and he couldn't get out so it's definately more than 1 press of A. I think it's just the normal escape formula.

[.:ßio§torm7:.]

Originally posted by Omnigamer
You realize that Kirby's suicide throws are perfectly escapeable, right? But I don't think this is the right topic for discussing these um... "tactics".

Try using Kirby's horizontal throws against an opponent at something like 20% dmg and its bound to fail, but once you reach high damage its much harder (if not, impossible) to break out of the grab before Kirby takes you to h3LL with him.

[Omnigamer]

Except that it's still far from a reliable tactic. The opponent can escape at ANY TIME during the throw, not just the very beginning. Which means they can escape at any time on the way down to the bottom, leaving Kirby by himself. At stages like FD, it's a long way down. Besides, by the time you get them to damages high enough for it to be safe, you could kill them any number of other ways. Finally, Kirby will always die first. Always. So it's not even usefull as a desperation attack.

Therefore: Not usefull.

[quickman_Zero]

unless the oponent escapes, Kirby never dies first. If you use it on Bowser, Peach, DK, Falcon, Ganondorf, Samus, Zelda, Mewtwo, Marth and Roy, the oponent dies first. On the rest of the cast, they die at the same time. Omnigamer, you may be getting confused with up throw where Kirby always dies first. I like using the back throw in teams, it's so hectic that you can suprise people by using it quite easily. You can get it in a 1 on 1 but it's a little tricky on people who know to look out for it. Just try to move near to an edge without making it obvious what your trying to do.

[.:ßio§torm7:.]

Quickman is right. I've seen Kirby use his throw on an opponent right off of a ledge, both of them had only one life left, and both of them went plummeting to their doom; Kirby won that round.

BTW, quickman, I've seen it work on characters other than the ones you listed. Its a great finishing move and a great way to piss off your opponents.

[The Cape]

Originally posted by .:ßio§torm7:.
Quickman is right. I've seen Kirby use his throw on an opponent right off of a ledge, both of them had only one life left, and both of them went plummeting to their doom; Kirby won that round.

BTW, quickman, I've seen it work on characters other than the ones you listed. Its a great finishing move and a great way to piss off your opponents.

Beware of using it in DK 64 though. I was Luigi and Kaotical was playing as Kirby. He back threw us both off the level, and I got caught in the barrel, he plummeted to his doom and I survived in the barrel.

[Omnigamer]

Yes, I was just thinking of the uthrow, as that's the only one that I've experimented with. I just assumed it would be the same with the other throws :-/

Oh well. Relying on suicide throws at any time just doesn't suit me. Many, many other things can be done to kill opponents without relying on getting them close enough to a ledge at a high enough damage and last stock to get them in an escapable throw that will lead to your death if something goes wrong. Could be just me though.

[.:ßio§torm7:.]

Originally posted by Omnigamer
Yes, I was just thinking of the uthrow, as that's the only one that I've experimented with. I just assumed it would be the same with the other throws :-/

Oh well. Relying on suicide throws at any time just doesn't suit me. Many, many other things can be done to kill opponents without relying on getting them close enough to a ledge at a high enough damage and last stock to get them in an escapable throw that will lead to your death if something goes wrong. Could be just me though.

Poor Kirby doesn't have many other options. :(

I know if I were Kirby I'd choose suicide :p

[Omnigamer]

Poor Kirby doesn't have many other options.

Kirby has plenty of options. Get better with him, and you'd be surprised how many ways he can kill someone.

[.:ßio§torm7:.]

Originally posted by Omnigamer
Kirby has plenty of options. Get better with him, and you'd be surprised how many ways he can kill someone.

I've seen my friend (the same one that uses suicide throws and suck-n-drop) use Kirby in other dastardly ways. Like spiting you into explosive bricks in Green Greens, or forcing you off a ledge with that green blaster gun then, while you're trying to recover, flying out over you and chucking it down into your head; he's just so resourceful that he uses the terrain or any object he can get Kirby's lil' pink flaps on. He comes up with the most elaborate, roundabout ways to kill you and he often wins 4 player matches with zero kills. Its not that he doesn't have a hand in anyone's death its just that... the game doesn’t count his kills as kills. The weirdest part is that he absolutely refuses to steal anyone's powers. I swear he plays Kirby like…like...like McGuyver or something, it’s just scary.

[Omnigamer]

Items and ffas are generally things that you shouldn't cite to try and prove a point. And he's probably smart for not trying to take powers... many powers have very little use, and even for the ones that do, you're left open while trying to eat them or even more if you miss.

What I was referring to before was combos. Kirby is a combo master. Just start experimenting with moves and it's amazing how well they come together.

[quickman_Zero]

meh, some powers are useful and swallow is a pretty good combo move if you ask me but yeah, Kirby is definately one of the best when it comes to combos.

[Qwester]

Originally posted by quickman_Zero
Well it certainly isn't just one press of A that lets you escape, it get's harder to escape the higher the percentage. I got my bro to mash A in training mode at 999% and he couldn't get out so it's definately more than 1 press of A. I think it's just the normal escape formula.
During the suicide throws (after the direction has been pressed) for both forward and back throw, it's far easier to escape than it is during the neutral grab stance. (The part you can hit them by pressing A or Z.)

It may use a similar formula with a different factor, but it's certainly easier to break out of once the throw is started. This doesn't apply to u-throw however which can't be escaped as far as I know once Kirby has started to jump.

[UndrDog]

Kirby = Butterfingers = a lonely death...