Who are the best counters for peach?

[gore]

Alright I keep getting beat by gay *** peaches at tourneys, so I was wondering how do you beat those D-Cstick, turnip spammers? So please someone tell me a good peach counter.

[Yuna]

People will argue Fox and Falco are good anti-Peachers. But if you get caught in an uthrow chaingrab, you're dead for sure. Or at least you will be in a few seconds.

[VilNess]

Mewtwo, at least relatively. Its kinda M2^Peach
*Cough* uptrhow *cough*

[Yuna]

Mewtwo is way too floaty for Peach to kill to the sides at low percentages, he has that huge 2nd jump, the teleport and also, his uthrow will destroy Peach at higher %s.

[The_Kid]

I know alot of people who say marth is the best peach counter but I am I peach player and play them so many times that I am starting to get good verses Marths so I am not quite sure if marth is that good but I just hear people say marth is good but I am not to sure.

[VilNess]

Well looking at Ryoko´s play against Marth I could almost say its the other way around!
Actually not, Marth has range, Peach has projectiles, Marth has Fsmash, Peach has Dsmash and so on...
This should be an quite balanced matchup at highlevels of play.

[RyokoYaksa]

You're not factoring in Ken or Azen level Marths. x_x

[EdreesesPieces]

I think Fox is easily the best counter. Fox can keep his distance away from peach to avoid Downsmash well too..though, just be careful with shining, if you miss or something, and your holdilng down when you get down smashed..ouch

[INDIEPOProcks]

Peach is very well rounded, so there isn't a totally perfect counter for her. like every other player, all you have to do is work around your opponent's character's natural weaknesses.

+Peach, being one of the lightweights, can be knocked across the screen with simple smashes or tilts, given she has a high enough percentage. but she also has impeccable recovery abilities, so she'll almost always come back from devastating blows.

how to get around this? simply use 'dodge-hit-and-run' tactics. take Fox, for example: if a Peach player is caught off guard, his simple rapid A attacks can rack up % on a Peach, especially a cornered one. although she is light, she does tend to be an easy juggle. but when she manages to tech roll, her moves does sometimes become predictable. i suppose timing is crucial when challenging Peach

+her turnips aren't as unavoidable as you think. with similar projectiles such as Links boomerang and Pikachus thunder jolt, it can be parryed by a simple A/aerial-A attack. and if you're timing is good, you can catch it on the ground or Air [depending on if she smash or tilt-throws the Turnip]

+im still in the process of comparing A-smash to C-stick smash. so can't help you there ><;;

[VilNess]

Hmm... Well ken and Azen are players on their own level so( at least Azen) is great with almost any char, or so I have heard.

[Suretman]

Who are the best counters for peach


Sheik...

[Yuna]

As proven by Mike G.'s Peach, Sheik isn't really a counter.

[MookieRah]

I believe that Link has a great matchup against Peach, prolly not a counter, but perhaps a slight advantage. Link is the only main that I use that I stand a chance of doing well with against a Peach anyways.

[Smashbros]

Fox - no
Marth - no
Sheik - yes

[Suretman]

As proven by Mike G.'s Peach, Sheik isn't really a counter.

To me it seemed the opposite if your basing it on those s4c vids like I am.

[stilettotrap]

Peach vs. Sheik is even enough on stages like Mute City and Dreamland. Mute City is bad for Sheik because it has no grabbable edges, which makes her incredibly simple to edgeguard... Dreamland 64, Peach lives forever and a day. You can expect to survive to around 150% or so every stock if you DI properly. On other stages, though, it's tougher.

Though if you play PAL, Sheik sorta gets screwed... dthrow got nerfed, so no easy fairs or uairs upon grabs, and uair was weakened, which makes it a less potent KO option. Sheik doesn't have a lot of really good approaches on Peach aside from grabs - now she's stuck with tilts and jabs. Jabs are just fine and dandy, but tilts generally send Peach too far away for Sheik to consistently get a follow-up. Non-sweet bairs and nairs also combo sometimes, but it's rare to get one that's spaced properly at the right percentages against Peach.

[Suretman]

I meant in NTSC, I'm aware that it's even or maybe even peach advantage in PAL. On the good peach stages it is closer and maybe even peach advantage but on a neutral stage it's sheik advantage and on a sheik counter pick like yoshi's island it's even more so in Sheik's advantage. So, the match is in sheik's favor on more stages than it is for peach; therefore I think this is Sheik advantage and I do consider her counter for peach(maybe not a complete counter but probably the best choice against a peach imo)

[Umbreon]

if you're good with shine, fox can mess peach up. or kill her, wahtever

[Yuna]

Yeah, but it's much easier for Peach to uthrow-chain Fox than for Fox to properly infinite Peach.

[Mikey Lenetia]

Sheik is way too easy to keep juggling once you get her. Really, it depends on who makes the first mistake. Past that, it can be a bit biased to Peach at times, but others, to Sheik. It isn't as much of a one-sided thing you guys are making it seem like.

Fox, on the other hand. Here is where one mistake can cost any side. If a Fox can get the Shine down, then all he has to do is find an opening and abuse it. For Peach, all she has to do is keep her guard up and juggle Fox like crazy from life to death. Edgeguarding him is also not that hard, since most of her moves slice through his recovery. It all depends on who gets the upper hand.

[RyokoYaksa]

OK, a couple of points I want to throw out there right now since I'm annoyed:

1. On Mute City, Sheik doesn't have a chance in hell against Peach. DL64 is also a tricky one for Sheik.

2. In PAL, Peach can afford to be more offensive and put herself out there more due to the fact that Sheik's grab is near useless against her. With the uair also being weakened, Peach has the advantage provided she's mindful of tilt and jab combos and the fair in general.

3. Even in NTSC, the odds aren't really stacked in either person's favor until the stage comes in. You have to play quickly and intelligently to beat a good Sheik (Isai, CJ). Even with my suckage I can do decently against Isai's Sheik which is beastly, and can cut it even with CJ's Sheik. Personally I think Marth is a much tougher match up as Peach.

[flagitious]

Yeah, but if shiek turns into zelda then you are screwed ;)

[Yuna]

No you're not, unless you get a Lightning Kick in the face. I agree with Ryoko-sama. Marth is much tougher than Sheik.

[D'oH]

Originally posted by FallenAngelII
No you're not, unless you get a Lightning Kick in the face

Zelda's main move is Lightning Kick; you think she won't be able to land it on Peach, especially since she's floaty as **** and easy to combo into it?

[flagitious]

I'm half kidding. I think Zelda has a good match up against Peach, but I don't know if it is better than shiek. What do you guys think?

[D'oH]

Zelda v Peach is pretty sweet, as Zelda's trying to avoid turnip set ups, and Peach has to avoid every single one of Zelda's kick set ups, and trust me, there are alot. I think Zelda has the advantage due to the fact that Kicks are generally more effective for KOing, even on Peach's advantage stages like DL64 (even when Peach is at like 70-something, a kick on one of the sides of the stage can spell death)

[tsetse]

Ok what about Samus. I consider Samus a counter for Peach what do you all think.

[Smashbros]

2. In PAL, Peach can afford to be more offensive and put herself out there more due to the fact that Sheik's grab is near useless against her. With the uair also being weakened, Peach has the advantage provided she's mindful of tilt and jab combos and the fair in general.

Yes Peach can be more offensive against a Sheik in PAL but by no means, is Sheiks down throw useless. It can still quite easily be combo'd into a forward or up-air. Yes Peach against Sheik is a better matchup in PAL, but it's still her worst IMO. Sheik can still waste peach.

On a neutral stage in any version Sheik has the edge, a slight edge. On Dreamland or Mute Peach has the edge and on Yoshi's story Sheik has the advanatge. You gotta win that first round on the neutral stage to really stand any chance of winning and it's certainly an uphill battle from the word GO.

[Mikey Lenetia]

Since everyone will think that all Sheiks can waste Peach at any given moment(which isn't necessarily true), let's just move on. Any others to look out for?

[Yuna]

I agree with what Euan said. Sheik is the opponent I have the most problems facing.

[D'oH]

Samus or Zelda

[Elno1]

Gannon? u cant spam the dsmash.

[D'oH]

Okay, Zelda vs Peach is almost even, though I think Zelda does have a slight advantage (as long as you don't CC the downsmash like I did vs Silas yesterday, XD), as the kick and fsmash are viable kills.

Plus Zelda has an advantage as most people don't know how to play against her.

[pkmvodka]

saying that zelda isn't a popular character and that some players don't know how to play against her isn't a good argument.

A good fox or falco can mess up a lot with peach, and a ganon who knows what he's doing is a pretty hard fight.

[RyokoYaksa]

Originally posted by pkmvodka
saying that zelda isn't a popular character and that some players don't know how to play against her isn't a good argument.
Uh.. yes it is. Few players are well-versed against Zelda because of the lack of Zelda users, so they have almost no clue of what to expect aside from the sparkly kicks. It is a possible trump that shouldn't be overlooked.

A good fox or falco can mess up a lot with peach, and a ganon who knows what he's doing is a pretty hard fight.
Peach has stuff on all of those guys. Fox and Falco are fine as long as you avoid deadly shine and throw combos, and Ganon is cake if you stay mobile around him. Peach's advantages on Marth however, are few.

[D'oH]

Ryoko, I want to see you play Michael M during MOAST. You're staying with the rest of the DA, right?

[Quetzalcoatl]

I find I only have difficulties beating zelda when I'm on high percentages (my opponent's sheik transforms to zelda), otherwise if I'm on a low percent, i can still beat her fairly well.

[Elno1]

I dont kno about you guys, but jigglypuff is a hard fight, because i forget you cant dash attack at her. When i do remember, i just run up to her and grab her, also what smash attack should i do with a pivet (sp) cancel, dsmash?

[RyokoYaksa]

Originally posted by DaRkNeSsOfHeArT
Ryoko, I want to see you play Michael M during MOAST. You're staying with the rest of the DA, right?
1. Who?
2. With what character?
3. Unless I can scrounge up $200 to spend before the low fares expire, probably not. It's not looking good.

A lot of Jigglypuff player's I've encountered seem to set themselves up for an FC'd uair when they use WoP. It is a tricky match due to Jiggly's priority and Rest, but Peach generally lasts longer and has turnips to use. There are some good Jiggly/Peach vids on the hub to view.

[D'oH]

Michael M is a friend of mine and Mike G's...supposedly a good Zelda. I would like to see your Peach vs his Zelda...

And I'm sorry to hear that, hopefully you can scrounge up the money...