Pikachu and Pichu Matchups

[demoncaterpie]

A friend of mine asked me to make a list of Pikachu and Pichu's best and worst matchups. I can deffinetely use some help, since all I know is that Pikachu is good against Jigglypuff. Any other matchups my friend (and I) can use?

[Electricmouse]

I'll tell you pika's worst matchup and its name is shiek. Shiek can chain throw pika till 60 or when damage is high enough to DI out. Shiek owns the air and has way more range than almost all of pika's attacks. She is alot faster and quicker than pika which allows her to also own the ground. Either way you look sheik has a definite advantage over pika. In the words of comic book guy from the simpsons "Worst matchup ever"

[demoncaterpie]

True, but I've played against Shiek many times and have always been able to get around his speed. I would use Pikachu's grab and throw them up into the air and strike them with an upstrike or a chain grab.

But, I'll keep that in mind.

[jrta]

you can't up throw chain sheik. You probably haven't played against a good sheik before. If you get grabbed at all, you should end up at like 80% and off the stage.

[demoncaterpie]

True, true. But a good Shiek can still be beaten by a great Pika, but I see where your coming from.

Worse Matchups
Shiek

Still looking for some best matchups.

[Ice Rabbit]

Sheik still has a higher chance of winning. What about a great Sheik and a great Pikachu?

[Electricmouse]

The sheik would come out the winner over a great pika.

Another bad matchup is marth. Marth has godly range both in his sword and his grab. Because of his range its hard to fight him from the sides and also in the air. Never get above a marth unless you like living in tipper country. Marth isn't as bad as sheik since it takes a real good marth player to mess you up on the ground. Well marth has other advantages that I can't remember right now but he is definently one of pika's worse marth ups.

[JesusFreak]

Now as true as that maybe, you have to take tiers into consideration a bit. Of course Sheik is terrible for Pika cuz of chain grabbing, and yes Marth is good against Pika, but they're also overall better characters. I really feel that Pika does better against marth that against a lot of other high tiers. His projectile can screw with marth's spacing game, and of course as you well know you have your CC to downsmash. ;) Also Marth's recovery is average-at-best and Pika is one fo tcharacters with the tail spike, the fsmash and the downsmash wich just eats recoveries very similarly to Peach's dsmash

I say that Ganondorf is a tough match for pika because of his range/durability and Pika can only take to the air against ganon if knows he can beat him with his speed, which isn't always the case with a smart l cancelling Ganon. I don't play Pika as much as I used to, but I'll think about this a bit and try to contribue some more.

[Electricmouse]

I agree that he does better against marth than alot of the other high tiers but your forgetting one thing about marth. That is marth's tipper, for a example marth can grab pika backthrow and tipper him off the ledge. Now thats not enough to kill him at 0 but at slightly highter damage levels it has the chance too. Even if it didn't kill you, you still have to get back on the stage and getting thru a good marth's sword range is easier said than done.

Ganon is also a hard match up but not as bad as marth in my book. You mentioned fighting him in the air, do you fight a ganon any other way?

[demoncaterpie]

Marth is a tough match up, but a smart Pika can take him out. Pikachu has a lot of good qualities against Marth, such as his down a, side a, up a, clearing the gap... The list goes on and on.

As for Ganon, Pika's speed usually beats out Ganon in the end, since his slow attacks can lead to punishment.

Worst Matchups
Shiek

Best Matchups
Ganon
Marth

What about Fox? Here's a character I know Pika can up chain grab. You just have to watch out for the shine.

[JesusFreak]

Okay, take Marth off best matchups right now. You're not making yourself look very smart by doing that.

[Electricmouse]

Yeah, when you play a good marth you'll see how hard it is for pika. I think you should add another catagory: ok match ups since ganon isn't somebody you really want to play against. Remember it only takes one good hit with ganon.

[demoncaterpie]

Sorry guys, as it says on my tag I'm a smash noob trying to get good. I'll take them off the list.

And for those who have compared me to Awdball, I will not let myself stoop down to that level.

[jrta]

Your whole posting style is very reminescent of awdball's. You at least admint you made mistakes though, which differentiates you from him on the most basic level. But (I don't mean this condescendingly) you should think about the audience you are addressing and the points that you are trying to make before you post.

As you seem relatively new here, I would recommend that you read around the forums for awhile and get accustomed to the lingo and terminology that is consistently used on these boards. Many of the new topics that come up are simply rehashes of old topics that have disappeared due to old age, so you can understand when some people get irritated when people not only post/ask about the same things.

I'm sure we all appreciate your enthusiasm, but since you do not want to become the next Awdball, please take this post as constructive criticism rather than a flame.

[JayJay]

Anyone can tell demoncaterpie isn't the best player in the game by just looking at his posts, but he has the right to post and learn more about the game.

Pikachu is obviously going to have a lot of bad matchups, just look at the tiers. More than half the characters in the game have an ADVANTAGE (note I'm not saying Pika can't beat them) over him. But that goes for many low and middle tier characters. In other words, Pika has just as good a chance to beat top and upper tier character as anyone else does. Ex: Marth has an advantage over almost every character so Pika has as good or maybe even a better chance against him than others.

This is pretty confusing... :confused:

[demoncaterpie]

Originally posted by jrta
Your whole posting style is very reminescent of awdball's. You at least admint you made mistakes though, which differentiates you from him on the most basic level. But (I don't mean this condescendingly) you should think about the audience you are addressing and the points that you are trying to make before you post.

As you seem relatively new here, I would recommend that you read around the forums for awhile and get accustomed to the lingo and terminology that is consistently used on these boards. Many of the new topics that come up are simply rehashes of old topics that have disappeared due to old age, so you can understand when some people get irritated when people not only post/ask about the same things.

I'm sure we all appreciate your enthusiasm, but since you do not want to become the next Awdball, please take this post as constructive criticism rather than a flame.

I appreciate the comment jrta. I'm still figuring out the chat system and advanced level strategies (Just competed in my first tournament not to long ago).

As for matchups, how about Pika vs. Fox? Since he is a fast faller Pika can chain up grab continuesly. But that is only one strategy to use against Fox, and he is a top tiet character.

[Red Dragon]

Originally posted by demoncaterpie
I appreciate the comment jrta. I'm still figuring out the chat system and advanced level strategies (Just competed in my first tournament not to long ago).

As for matchups, how about Pika vs. Fox? Since he is a fast faller Pika can chain up grab continuesly. But that is only one strategy to use against Fox, and he is a top tiet character.



Fox grabs pikachu into an up throw, up aerial, it can kill him at lower percentages, but Pikachu can kill him easily as well, and edge guard him easily. The only problem against fox is his superior speed over Pikachu, and way more priority and range, Fox usually takes care of Pikachu easily, Fox is a bad match up IMO, but Pika usually does pretty good against him.

Pikachu has many bad match ups.

[demoncaterpie]

Originally posted by Red Dragon
Fox grabs pikachu into an up throw, up aerial, it can kill him at lower percentages, but Pikachu can kill him easily as well, and edge guard him easily. The only problem against fox is his superior speed over Pikachu, and way more priority and range, Fox usually takes care of Pikachu easily, Fox is a bad match up IMO, but Pika usually does pretty good against him.

Pikachu has many bad match ups.

I don't agree with the last thing you said. Pika dosen't have as many match ups as people believe. He may be a mid-tier character, but he does really good against some high and upper tier characters.

[Electricmouse]

I completely agree with red dragon about the bad matchups. Sure he does well against a few top tier characters but most of the others give him fits.

[demoncaterpie]

Originally posted by Electricmouse
I completely agree with red dragon about the bad matchups. Sure he does well against a few top tier characters but most of the others give him fits.

Since this is the case, a good strategy would to use Pika for his better matchups and switch to a higher tier character (for me, it's Shiek:D ) against the other matchups.

[Electricmouse]

a good strategy would to use Pika for his better matchups and switch to a higher tier character (for me, it's Shiek ) against the other matchups.

Yeah, thats what I'm going to start doing.

Sheik? traitor >_>

[demoncaterpie]

Originally posted by Electricmouse
Yeah, thats what I'm going to start doing.

Sheik? traitor >_>

Hey, Pika's still my number one. Shiek's just my number two.

[Alucard258]

Welll since no one else has mentioned Pichu.... I think Pichu does good against any fast faller. He can combo them pretty well and the d-throw to any smash works great. Also a Thunder Jolt can sometimes stop their recovery.

[demoncaterpie]

Originally posted by Alucard258
Welll since no one else has mentioned Pichu.... I think Pichu does good against any fast faller. He can combo them pretty well and the d-throw to any smash works great. Also a Thunder Jolt can sometimes stop their recovery.

Sorry about not talkin about Pichu. Don't get me wrong, he's a great guy, it's just, all the power he has can be too much for him...

[ShineOfScott-SOS]

all i know is fox owns pikachu and pichu

[demoncaterpie]

Originally posted by ShineOfScott-SOS
all i know is fox owns pikachu and pichu

Just, get out, right now.