samus vs falco

[WattyMan]

How in Gods name do you stop the shffl on a falco as a samus, by the time i get to the little basterd i already took a crap load of damage. and worse thing is the falco i play is getting better at it doing it faster so wtf man is there no way or am i just not seeing the obvious.

[grayfox]

Falco is the one character i cannot stand playing. I really have no advice as i get destroyed. Use a different character. I am actually practising peach now purely for falco's O_o.

i hope this post has been of use :D

just wait till aftermath or some better samus shows up.

[HugS]

How do you stop the shffl? Shffl what? SHB? Shffl spiking to shine? Bombs work decently against falcos when they are close enough to spike and shine. When he is close enough to spike and shine, drop a few before he does. Up tilt is great for some damage. If he is SHB, take as little damage as you can while walking closer, pull off a forward tilt. DO NOT use your roll against a good falco. His forward smash is deadly against your slow rolling. Try wave dashing out of a shield as an alternative. Falcos are tough because the SHB messes up your missle game quite a bit. If you can pull off a few grapples, throwing him up in the air will lead to some high damage combos. I don't know what else to say.

[WattyMan]

short hop laser, i cant get by it

[WattyMan]

i understand how to do stuff around a falco, just the laser man, i've been playing a while dude its not like i dont know how to fight a falco, its just ist here a better way to get past the short hop laser besides jumping and running into it?

[HugS]

Try walking and sidestepping every laser, and when he is too close just start taking a few until you can get close enough to pull off a forward tilt. Or you can just shield it for a bit, when he gets close enough SH out of your shield and do a sex kick or use your UpB out of a shield. Idk thats all ive got hope it helps

[Lunadis]

I think the lasers shoot too quickly to dodge them. I can't help you, but watch some Wes VS Falco matches. But it won't help too much, Wes's style cannot be immitated.

[WattyMan]

ur telling me i tried fighting his assss at mlfc. but its good that it cant be copied (his style that is) people take bits and pieces of things he does and adds it to there game, not many samu players are the same we all do diffrent things, like we all revolve around the same moves we just put it together diffrent ways. Also I wouldnt use wes vs a falco cause the falco wes plays, is dave, so ya that doesnt work. and side stepping doesnt work and if they get good enough they do it way to fast to event hink that so i still dont know what to do. thanks for trying to help though.

[Sklander]

Where can I see these videos of Samus playing a Falco?

[CaliburChamp]

They are on the HUB DC++

Its quite easy to get away from Falco's SHB, just drop a bomb and use that as your shield against Falco's SHB. Another thing is to lightshield to Wavedash up to him.

[Jasona]

unless you're a hardcore samus, you're screwed. Here is a few of my time tested ideas (not against hardcore falcos)
--- lasers destroy bombs, so get over the barrage and bomb jump (closer to him, farther away... whatever... but don't expect it to work for more than a few bounces)
--- dodge the shots with the bombs (shots pass through her)although, if you bomb-dodge in one place, the bomb will blow and bounce you into a laser... if you bomb-dodge and DI to fix this, then pick a direction
-- away from falco is your safest bet to keep up the dodge, but it will only encourage him.
--towards him will make it much harder to keep up the dodge and will piss falco off, but it gets you closer and, chances are, he'll stop spamming lasers (to beat on you)

[Aftermath]

Yeah, thanks to Ao, i can get online once again, so blame him if i say anything stupid, speaking of which..

what i do against a falco that shb's isn't much special, and probably isn't the best way. i usually will sh missiles up to him that way, i dodge every other laser or so, and get the missiles in. the only good thing about my way is that usually the falco will try to shine it, so then you simply jump up while he's lagging from that, which is usually good enough. if he dodges, then i still just run up during that time, but i sometimes get screwed out of this, but it still closes the gap, which is good.

not sure what else to say on top of that, the shield wd would work pretty good, other than i think the shield may give out by the time you get up to him, depending on how far away you are. i don't know for sure and probably wouldn't be the one to judge, but if you were to lightshield wd up, the lag from the lightshield might make you get hit, because wding has some lag too.

the other thing i was thinking of if the falco does it from the beginning of the match, is to simply hang on the edge ( after you get a % lead most likely) and just wait until he comes up, then go from the edge and do whatever, but don't get spiked.

other than that, which probably wasn't much help, just try to keep the fight close and if he's coming from above and you have time, usmash gives a lot of damage, but fair is more reliable, so experiment and see if either of those work for you.

[SabreAnt]

I actually enjoy this matchup. True at times it can be frustrating if you get stuck in a rut, but then thats a mindgame. Can't help you there if you arent able to cope.

Getting closer due to SHB:
Jump, depending how far away he is, double jump (deep i know) and sail down on top of him. Bomb when desired to stop your descent and bomb jump if desired.
In this time, Falco will have A) moved a bit, meaning you have halted the immediately shots B) shielded, ready for a grab as though you were stupid enough to land in front of him with an uncancelled dair C) charged up a smash, in which case duh, dont land in it, D) done some random crap to throw you, like wd or reflectoring into jumps and crap, in which case dont lose your cool, take it at your pace, this is the key to winning control the pace. If he tries the ever obvious land on you with his dair, then you should upb out of your shield once it has failed, to get some quick dmg in.. or E) (this is my favourite one) =p he has choked completely, allowing you to casually sex kick his sorry butt for hesitating.

The thing about this matchup is that some of their respective weaknesses compliment each others strengths, resulting in a close match when two players are quite closely skilled. Wes vs Dave Special, on DC++ is a fantastic video. And regarding that comment about copying Wes, why would you want to? Develop your own dam style and stop trying to mooch an entire playstyle =p

Yes, get some Wes videos for some neat ideas on this particular matchup. Dave is a very good Falco, so its a fair comparison. Just never forget to use your bombs offensively, and to edgeguard.