Does ANYONE not just use the rest move?!

[Cyrahk]

Okay. I know a good coupla' people that just rest spam the entire time.

I can fight relatively well without rest spamming, but do you?

[soroush123]

Originally posted by Cyrahk
Okay. I know a good coupla' people that just rest spam the entire time.

I can fight relatively well without rest spamming, but do you?


wow, that has got to be the weirdest for of spamming I have ever seen. But seriously, resting IS NOT a spammable move. Shield it and hit with a hard move (or one with no knockback, like mario/dr.'s cape or fox's blaster)

The best way to play puff (acording to current meta-game) it is saty in the air and use airials. The B-air mostly, along with F-air and Pound.

I bet 99.999999999999999999999999999% of puff players that have been to a tourny know NOT to abuse rest.


BTW: Take them to a tourny, they'll stop...

[Ice Rabbit]

If they spam Rest, they suck. If they miss, goodbye. Sheild it, dodge it, whatever. Teach them a lesson in that Rest is not Jigglypuff's only move. But hey, I'm here looking for advice, not giving it.

[Zanguzen]

How do they rest spam and not realize that it's not meant to be spammed? Either their opponents are sad or they have impeccable aiming. In other words, their opponents are sad. If they do rest spam, they should be recieving fully charged smashes over and over again.

[Snow Pink]

I don't use Rest often at all. I usually weaken my foe, then use a powerful move. Sometimes, if I'm in the fray, I would use Rest and knock out everyone surrounding me. There are different strategies I use for the puff, but usually not rest.

[The_Lunch_King]

the only way to consistently spam rest is thru comboes like utilt rest, uthrowrest, puffrest, etc. u cant just decide to rest someone and leap at them and rest them.

[The_Lunch_King]

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[The_Kid]

The only time I think people should use the rest is when I play verses Fox and Falco players because you can throw them up (when they are low) and rest them but still only do that if you exprirenced at it.

[Silver Sytos]

I use rest sometimes, I find it useful against Ness, when¡¦s he¡¦s using PK Fire, just roll then rest. :D Sorry I¡¦m such a newb, but what¡¦s saty? I know nair and bair, but not that¡K

[The_Lunch_King]

The only time I think people should use the rest is when I play verses Fox and Falco players because you can throw them up (when they are low) and rest them but still only do that if you exprirenced at it.

this is a pretty n00btacular remark kid. rest is jiggs greatset attack after the WoP and to only use it in this situation would be a complete waste. there are many more comboes than uthrow rest. check the threads below and ur bound to learn some new moves.

[gore]

I do, I just use it conservatively. You just have to set it up right.

[KuRoKuPo]

The odds of resting someone who can possibly expect it is 99:1.

Try to make him think you won't rest , or do something else when he thinks you're gonna rest him.

Rest spamming... I used to do that , but I've learnt my lesson, after a serious whacking from ganon's usmash...

[TheKoopaBros.]

I rarely use Rest,unless the character is relatively large. (Like Donkey Kong,or Bowser)

Mainly because If I miss against someone like marth I'm pretty much dead.

Just out of safety I really don't use it.

[KuRoKuPo]

If you can predict the direction of his DI , you can rest , even a marth can get rested... just try to predict the direction...

[Ragnarok503]

What excatly is the the rule with rest anyway? Does your character have to be touching the other char in order for it to connect? It appears like the most useful way to use it is when your right on top of the enemy.

[The_Lunch_King]

in order to rest someone, the center jiggs must be overlapping part of ur opponent

[*TwItCh*]

I Have To agree the only way to rest spam is to go up against one of the fuzzy forest creatures (fox & falco) fast fallers can fall into a rest anywhere at 15% or below and it's not always a kill but that 30 damage helps out alot...under normal circumstances a rest is a very risky move and you have to use them circumstancially (be sneaky wait till they're not looking) otherwise you'll fall into a fully charged smash attack while ur puff is snoozing...:chuckle:


-twitch

[KuRoKuPo]

I don't rest at all in most matches , unless my friend uses Falcon Punch or some up-b recovery moves...

[The_Lunch_King]

I Have To agree the only way to rest spam is to go up against one of the fuzzy forest creatures (fox & falco) fast fallers can fall into a rest anywhere at 15% or below and it's not always a kill but that 30 damage helps out alot...under normal circumstances a rest is a very risky move and you have to use them circumstancially (be sneaky wait till they're not looking) otherwise you'll fall into a fully charged smash attack while ur puff is snoozing...


true, uthrowing 'fuzzy forest creatures' is the easiest way to spam rest, but The Kid specifically said that it is the only time rest should be used, which is a waste.

[Judo_Jigglypuff]

actually i never played teh judo jiggly till last may. i was i a tourny at our college and we had to pic our fav char. i chose roy still being a newb and got pwned. but id mess around on the open machine with judo and was spamming rollout efficently and sniping people from mid air with a returning rollout. used judo ever since. wasnt till last month that i was taught how to one hitter quitter by jumping at the opponents head. have been able to spam it even against a sheilding m2(poor guys head keeps sticking out.) but i generally use all of jiggs attacks to his disposal. Just wondering though how do u l-cancel. Ive been able to make some ohq combos but ive seen more that use l-canceling.

ps if you wanna guarenteed ohq connection go to a level with breakable blocks and camp the blocks. when someone gets on some throw down and IMMEADIATLEY press \|/ b. gets em every time.

[yoshii]

You are all noobs if you dont know how to rest/and or dont use it. USE REST OR LEARN IT!

[Judo_Jigglypuff]

i can use it quite often i just have trouble with l-canceling so i just take someone by suprise with a different combo. i jus wish i knew how to l cancel so i can mix some of those airs with it. then i will get to hear that beautiful sound of ppl screaming more often.

[Silver Sytos]

Originally posted by Judo_Jigglypuff
i can use it quite often i just have trouble with l-canceling so i just take someone by suprise with a different combo. i jus wish i knew how to l cancel so i can mix some of those airs with it. then i will get to hear that beautiful sound of ppl screaming more often.
l cancel= pressing r or l when you're aerialing and land while your still in the middle of the attack. It stops the aerial and returns you to the neutral "standing" position.

[Judo_Jigglypuff]

many thanks silver sytos.

that was exactly what i needed. just a blunt description on what it is, how to do it and what it does. im glad you replied as opposed to someone else that would have just said something like "what a n00b he don even kno how to lcancel! omg!" *COUGHyoshiiCOUGH*
thanks again silver

[Silver Sytos]

Originally posted by Judo_Jigglypuff
many thanks silver sytos.

that was exactly what i needed. just a blunt description on what it is, how to do it and what it does. im glad you replied as opposed to someone else that would have just said something like "what a n00b he don even kno how to lcancel! omg!" *COUGHyoshiiCOUGH*
thanks again silver Your welcome, you should check out the “melee discussion” board, and one of the pinned threads has ALL of the basic SSBM lingo and moves, etc.

[The_Lunch_King]

OMFG he doesnt kno how to lcancel!! wut a n00b!!!
jk dude:D

[Judo_Jigglypuff]

I figured u were lurch since you worded it almost as i did. lol

is it still a WOP if your on the platform or do you have to start it from an edgehog(ill refer to it as a (modified?) wop just incase it isnt)

an annoying thing that happens when i rollout:
sometimes when i rollout and try to stop short of the edge jiggly comes to a stop, slides while standing, and freefalls off the stage

Im not the best by no means. I still do noobish things like resting when i shouldnt or the above problem i have with jiggly, but would it be safe to say that the following comment i was told today is a compliment or an insult?:
Heard shortly after a (modified?) wop
"There is no reason in the world that you should be that good with jiggly! I hate your **** back kicks."

also i have recently accuired the skill of grabing thrown items(link bombs, turnips, and the occasional bob-omb if im risky) with a fairly high rate. is that hard to do or am i feeling good about a noob skill.

[KuRoKuPo]

Yes...keep taking the thrown items when they throw it at you. However , you should shield in front of them...( WD and then shield) Then they get the explosion and they get thrown out instead.

(Taken from one of the Yuna vs Ijuka vids ... whatever...)

[Judo_Jigglypuff]

that sounds like a cool strategy though since i use the shield a lot my shield is usuall real low and id get shield killed by it(**** jiggs shield death) i usually do the airdodge into the item to grab it. The other day i was playing with items and stole a thrown pokeball. I kept chasing my friend throwing the ball up near him and after he ran to another spot in the stage id catch it and repeat. He eventually got annoyed and said "Fine if u wanna hit me with it so bad ill just stand still" so i rested his *** as he stood still.(god that was mean)

[Silver Sytos]

Originally posted by Judo_Jigglypuff
that sounds like a cool strategy though since i use the shield a lot my shield is usuall real low and id get shield killed by it(**** jiggs shield death) i usually do the airdodge into the item to grab it. The other day i was playing with items and stole a thrown pokeball. I kept chasing my friend throwing the ball up near him and after he ran to another spot in the stage id catch it and repeat. He eventually got annoyed and said "Fine if u wanna hit me with it so bad ill just stand still" so i rested his *** as he stood still.(god that was mean) don't get the shield catch thingy... well, i can't catch things in midair, I always get blowned up. XD But is it a right when it touches you or a second before?

[Judo_Jigglypuff]

Well i dunno how exactly how the ground grabs work but the easiest way to grab an item for me is to air dodge through it and while holding L/R press A as the item passes over your character. If it is an item you've thrown up you are able to skip the air dodge portion and simply press Z to grab the item, effectively (as in the previous post) allowing you to repeatedly throw an item up at an enemy. I dont completely understand what kurokupo meant by shielding and exploding(I assumed that it meant let the item hit your shield to explode the bomb knocking them off)

[KuRoKuPo]

Sorry for an unclear explanation.
I meant if the enemy is holding a bomb-omb , you shield dash up to him and let him get the explosion.

[Silver Sytos]

Originally posted by KuRoKuPo
Sorry for an unclear explanation.
I meant if the enemy is holding a bomb-omb , you shield dash up to him and let him get the explosion. fritefully useful. :P Xd

[Neophos]

KuRoKuPo, I actually done that a few times >_>

It's insanely funny watching people blow themselves up XD

[crumsie]

I use rest quite a bit. Probably more than I should.

most of my game with Jiggz is rest combos, and I miss about one in twenty times.

Although I have never been to a turney. I don' think I'm good eough for that yet. I'm only 13 for god's sakes.

I should dramatically cut my rest use even though I only play aganst computers. When I miss a rest, they always neutral A me :P

[The_Lunch_King]

if u want to get better at smash u have to go to tournies - playing the computer doesnt improve ur skills nearly as much as playing humans :P

besides there was a 12 year old at the last tourney i was at lol

[crumsie]

Originally posted by The_Lunch_King
if u want to get better at smash u have to go to tournies - playing the computer doesnt improve ur skills nearly as much as playing humans :P

besides there was a 12 year old at the last tourney i was at lol I mean that i dont think i am skilled enough rght now

[The_Lunch_King]

yea and i mean ur not gonna get better unless u go to a tourney-- besides if u can land rest comboes (even against the computer) 19 out of 20 times, u gotta hav some skill :P

[TheKoopaBros.]

I use rest around 10-20% of the time, since Its generally hard to get close to some characters such as Marth.

Other than that I rely on Jiggs aerials, and the occasional Fsmash or Usmash.

As far as "A" button moves go.^

[DJ Boobs]

I try not to use rest too much. The more it's used the more it can be expected and it's badly punished if missed or blocked. A couple efective methods I found for landing rest is jumping up through a platform that your opponent is standing on and resting before youo even get through the platform. It's usually hard to miss this way, and even if you do, you fall below the platform making it harder for your opponent to fully charge a smash attack. Another method, and my favorite, is crouch canceling a running move and resting. Get's em everytime. Another good one that a friend of mine pointed out to me that i especially usful against computers (if you're trying to beat some kind of harder single player mode) and often works on humans as well is waiting below a platform and resting when the opponent fals through. Nine times out of ten you can rest before that can whip out an aerial move. I usually restrict using rest to when I'm behind and need to catch up quick, or when a perfect opportunity arrises.