Roy vs. Jiggs

[PXTalon2000]

I could use some advice from all the Roy players out there about handling Jiggs with Roy...

...Yeah... That's all.

[Cloud Strife X]

As wierd as this may sound...this is one of roys most difficult fights to me...yes he gets nice low danmadge kills but he can't combo jiggs and jiggs WOP as well as rest combo's work to nicely on roy....

The most I can tell you is to mind game the **** out of em to get in and do major danmadge then get the F out....

[soberfox]

I have to agree with you, this is no easy matchup for Roy like it is with Marth. Roy's recovery is simply garbage when put up against the WOP, and Roy's sweetspot isn't on the tip like Marth, so he can't play a ranged game with Jiggs really.

Your best bet really is to try and get some quick kills in, and just hope for the best.

[MookieRah]

I recently had the chance to play Anden a good bit at the MS tourny, and I actually beat his Jiggs a couple of times when he was rusty and did well against him when he got some of his bearings back.

This is a hard match indeed, because Jiggs is so ****ed floaty that you can't combo her at all, but the thing that makes this battle possible is reverse blazer.

Here is what I did. I occasionally faired some of his wall of pains, and occasionaly got a hit in. If i could I would follow it up with something. DED if spaced at max does pretty well too, but due to Jiggs's floatyness getting that third hit is practically impossible unless she has extremely low percent. You can sometimes land a downsmash or two if you are lucky during a WOP.

The trick though is reverse blazer. If Jiggs rests you, RUN like **** to her and punish her rest with a reverse blazer. I got A LOT of kills this way. Eventually the Jiggs player will rarely ever sleep yas in fear that you will be able to retaliate. Also, I was able to shorthop and reverse blazer the WOP twice. This worked REALLY well, but it has to be timed and executed PERFECTLY. Don't spam the reverse blazer, or it will suck like crazy. Also remember that normal blazer works well too.

I hope this helps and I would elaborate more but I have to go to class.

[ArC_man]

I dont kno much about this matchup since i rarely play it.. but since i use both chars.. i can sorta relate the two (my roy would lose horribly IMHO)

I pretty much agree w/ everyone (that jiggs is a hard matchup). I also gotta agree that spamming reverse blazer = bad. Pretty much if you don't hit, you die >_<

One thing is not to try to grab so much (usually against other chars you'll try to grab as much as possible) cause she can duck ur grab and rest. Thats including shield grabbing, etc.. do aerials outta ur shield instead, since those can lead to reverse blazer, etc. Watch out when you're attacking her shield also, dont get too close unless you're sure u can hit (cause her shield -> rest is hella deadly). Most jigglypuffs don't use rest so much (unless you do a way laggy move that says "rest me!" ;)) so you don't really have to worry about that so much... her WoP is a pain in the *** to fight tho and it's almost impossible to reach her through it... i got no help against that -.- If you can get an aerial in, you can most likely combo it into a reverse blazer.. try to catch her when she's landing from an aerial (jump from shield)

I think if jigglypuff gets to around 40%, your gonna have a **** of a time trying to kill her (not as bad as vs samus tho) so try to get early kills. At higher percents: 1st hit of DED and d-smash will combo and kill.

[PXTalon2000]

Is it really safe to use aerials out of a shield against the typical WoP.
Eww... I didn't know about that ducking grab thing.

What about flare blade? Since I'm aiming for a kill within the first 40%, would this, implemented with some difficulty to make up for windup lag, annoy well? Or would it get me rested too / get me pounded / not be profitable?

Do DED or first hit of nair combo into reverse blazer..? Does a shielded pound guarantee a reverse blazer?

Hee... Samus.. I think Samus also deserves a thread.

[Umbreon]

S4C Killa OR vs NEO that's all the match was. Rest combo, 0 to 30% and rest. Neo come back, reverse blazer.

Neo won after Chris got a phantom Rest :o

[MookieRah]

I am working on better and more secure ways of landing the reverse blazer. One of them is this:

If your opponent is high in the air and you persue them, attack with a single DED hit. Sometimes, depending on DI, their percentage, and where you hit them, it will set them up perfectly for a reverse blazer. This doesn't combo, but it is pretty **** quick, and they would probably not expect an aerial DED so they might not retaliate fast enough to avoid it.

Another thing, a short hopped Reverse Blazer has A LOT more range than you would think. I am practicing shorthopping relatively close, using a DED (which gives me almost another shorthop) and then landing a reverse blazer at max range. LOL, I don't know if this would confuse someone enough to work or not, but it's a good way to learn the range of the reverse blazer.

[flagitious]

Wouldn't reverse blazer be a bad way to punish a resting jigglypuff? They should know its coming and be DIing it making it not kill and only doing like 4 damage.

[aho43]

A resting jiggly can't DI. Jigglypuff is roy's *****.

[MookieRah]

Simply put, if you can do reverse blazer well enough, and know when to use it, it isn't all that hard to hit a Jiggs with it. If you do it right your opponent won't ever bother resting, because you can kill him before he can recover from it. That leaves the match to where you are open to use reverse blazer, but the Jiggs will not rest you.

[flagitious]

Originally posted by aho43
A resting jiggly can't DI. Jigglypuff is roy's *****.

Hmm, I just tested it and I was able to DI away enough to survive the reverse blazer while resting on final destination. Crouch cancelling it didn't work while resting though.

I would guess most jiggs don't know to DI it away then so go ahead and do it to them but I would assume the best jiggs know.

Also what is a roy to do if you're on a level with a high ceiling?

[VilNess]

As far as im concerned at least all tournament qualified stages for random picks ar enough low to kill jiggs with reverseblazer even at 0%

[Rebel581]

Reverse blazer is a OHKO for Jigglypuff all the time. If it doesn't KO you didn't do it right. Otherwise I've never really played this matchup except once in a team battle where the guy kept on missing with rest so I just did the reverse blazer everytime.

[aho43]

Originally posted by VilNess
As far as im concerned at least all tournament qualified stages for random picks ar enough low to kill jiggs with reverseblazer even at 0%

Reverse blazer sends the same distance regardless of percentage. Dreamland has kinda high ceilings. =/

[SynikaL]

What the h3ll is a "reverse Blazer"?


-Smash Scrub

[MookieRah]

It is when you perform Roy's Blazer (up B) in the opposite direction and you hit your foe with only the first part of the attack.

[Umbreon]

works good if you WD from shield to space it. Jiggly will rarely l cancel to grab....unless you're me, lol. or chris, he actually plays jiggs too

[flagitious]

Originally posted by Rebel581
Reverse blazer is a OHKO for Jigglypuff all the time. If it doesn't KO you didn't do it right.

Unless they DI it like I said. Try it on FD, DI away.

[ST-Hunter]

I clearly see the reverse blazer works well against jiggly, but that isn't the only thing you could hope for. let's say I don't use it, what other strategies are their should I rather use more shffls or focus more on ground game. I suppose the best bet is always stay center stage and not bother to edgegard her. Just my thought.

[MookieRah]

It's actually really rough on Roy without reverse blazer. The only advice I have is to keep your spacing, watch out for his dreaded Pound, and try to find openings for a good forward smash. It's a ***** to get through WoP even with the range advantage. Just play defensively and wait for an oppertunity to retaliate.

[Rebel581]

Eh... well I just tested it out and you CAN DI out of the reverse blazer. If this gets out this will be a lot tougher of a matchup for Roy.

[MookieRah]

Heh, you can DI out of reverse blazer normally, but if you attempted a rest you can't DI. Also, a good Roy won't use reverse blazer much, that being said, it's a lot harder to DI something that you don't expect.

Most of my Reverse Blazer's aren't done out of a shield, which I would find to be more expected and easier to DI, I usually shorthop into a Jiggs who wants to WoP me in the face and nail them with reverse blazer. It's really hard to do without getting hit, but I have managed to pull it off once or twice pretty much every match I have against a Jiggs.

[flagitious]

Originally posted by MookieRah
Heh, you can DI out of reverse blazer normally, but if you attempted a rest you can't DI. Also, a good Roy won't use reverse blazer much, that being said, it's a lot harder to DI something that you don't expect.

Ok as I stated it earlier (twice) you can DI it enough while you are sleeping. Do you not read the post ahead of you? Do you not believe them? If not then please actually go and test it before you post something contradictory and false.

And what good jiggly wouldn't expect their opponent to attempt a reverse blazer after a missed rest?

Sorry to be an ******* but it is **** annoying when people post false things especially after I have already stated the truth.

[aho43]

You can't DI down, he probably didnt see your post. You can reverse blazer at other times besides a missed rest, good jigglys don't even use rest very often. If they aren't inputing the DI as they get hit, they are dead. Relax.

Roys other options besides reverse blazer involve catching jiggly in an fsmash. Shffled nairs and fairs are good. Dtilt still sets up jiggly so long as you tip with it. Hitting with the middle will send her too high up to combo. DED works quite well on her, as does flare blade. I dont think edgeguarding jiggly is a bad idea, flare blade works well as does ftilt. Roy's uptilt isnt nearly as good as Marths. :rolleyes:

[ST-Hunter]

Yeah, when they're low enough... but they have the nasty habit of re-entering the stage way above you. So I say rather than trying the near impossible in that situation i'd stay in center stage. my opinion

[MookieRah]

Ok as I stated it earlier (twice) you can DI it enough while you are sleeping. Do you not read the post ahead of you? Do you not believe them? If not then please actually go and test it before you post something contradictory and false.

You got me, I said something wrong. However; you cannot DI down. Like Aho said. I also didn't see your post.

I could have sworn that JC and I tested the DI when you rested and it didn't work, but no matter.

I did some testing and discovered some things.

On these tourny stages you will die regardless if you DI left or right while sleeping;

Pokemon Stadium
Yoshi's Island
Green Greens
Rainbow Cruise
Brinstar
Mushroom Kingdom II

I still have my Reverse Blazer from shorthop on FD, BF, and others like it.