Double Short Hop Blaster (w/ fox)

[phaze]

I downloaded a video, CapJack (DK) vs Delani (falco), and it is video taped by a camcorder, not far into the match one of the viewers goes into discussion about how Dave can Double Short Hop Blaster with fox.

I haven't tried to do it a whole lot, but I am very interested in learning how to do it.

I'm pretty sure it means fire 2 lasers in 1 short hop.

Spread your knowledge!

[Ryuker]

Looks to me you just have to press B very fast to get a double laser in a shorthop. I mean what else would you have to do than press b in a shorthop. I can't do it though I'm not that fast. If there would be some kind of way that makes sh 2blasters easier then I would like to hear of it of course.

[Cronos_Rainbow]

OK he's good. There's no way he fast falls this though...right....RIGHT? lol, ok I can get it about 1/6 atm. I'm not sure if he'd flick his thumb over or what cause getting there's not the easiest task in the world, especially without brushing A. I remember trying to do this ages ago, though I gave up because I could only ever do it 'arcade' style and not normally. I'll have to take it up again now, as I'm not the sort to let someone be able to do something I can't.
Let me know if something radically illuminating comes up, otherwise it's just a matter of practise I suppose.

[RockCrock]

Shooting Fox's laser twice, in one short hop? Just hit B as soon as you leave the ground, and don't fast fall.

[fox user]

this is simple you just tap the y button with oine thumb and b with the other i can almost do it 3 times

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[Slinkovic]

Originally posted by RockCrock
Shooting Fox's laser twice, in one short hop? Just hit B as soon as you leave the ground, and don't fast fall.

EDIT: Whoops, quoted the wrong user. This post is in reference to the previous user.

This would result in you having to actually move your hand, thus losing time and quite possibly health... I know for a fact that as soon as a Fox starts to shoot at me I take it as the opportunity to run in.

Although I usually jump with X, it'd probably help if you used Y when trying this. Just use the base of your thumb to tap B; make sure to fire one just as you jump (basically use your whole thumb to press down B and Y) and shoot another straight after.

Although I'm not really a huge fan of the laser in terms of attacking... I just use Fox's laser to rake up damage if they've got a fair recovery to make off the edge.

[the_suicide_fox]

BTW, I taught Dave how to do that. And I mastered it. So :p to all of you. I can even shdl backwards. You have to press B the frame you go into the air and no you don't fastfall. If you want to see a video of it I can make a demo vid of me doing it. The trick is not lifting your thumb.

[Cronos_Rainbow]

Nice one SF. It's only downfall is trying to do and showoff in FFA's only get's you smashed. To be honest using PAL Fox in FFAs is the first mistake... Otherwise this is a nifty trick. The only problem I tend to have now is a habit of FFing and not getting off the second shot. I'm pretty much over that now...just have to think about whether I want to do one or two before I do it so I don't get my fingers thinking for me :S. Thanks for this guys.

[the_suicide_fox]

Actually it can be pretty useful. Since the second laser is fire almost JUST before you land, if they shield it it's a free grab. The shield stun of Fox's laser is the same and Falco's, so against a shielding opponent both act the same way. And if you SH at someone they will expect you to do an aerial attack. Doing this stuns them long enough for a grab or you can charge upsmash and nail em when they try to grab/jump, whatever. Also, since you fire 2 lasers instead of 1 in a SH, from a distance this can be more aggitating to an enemy. I have gotten it so perfect that I can do it flawlessly very fast. While it's not as fast as standing there and laser spamming, it is still very fast and annoying. Plus if they approach you, you will have less recovery.

And no, pressing the buttons with the tip and middle of your finger is not the best way to do it. It's to hard to time and to slow, and not accurate. But if it works for you do it.

[cloudsquallVll]

is getting off 2 lasers really that much better then short hop fast fall laser i think they are the same either way so why learn the double laser if they both work and to me short hop fast fall laser is a bit faster and less risky though the double laser is cool

[FaTmAn2k20]

Wow... I didn't know there were people that could actually do this consistently. I've known about it for a while, and I've practiced with it a little bit, but I can't do it consistently at all. The only way I can do it with any sort of consistency is by positioning my hands weird, with my index finger pressing B and my middle finger pressing Y.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that this technique is extremely difficult to master unless you're a technical prodigy. If you practice it a lot, I'm sure you'll be able to do it, but it might not be worth your time. It has its uses, yes, but for a lot of people it will take so much time to learn that it outweighs the benefits.

[AWrulez]

Originally posted by cloudsquallVll
is getting off 2 lasers really that much better then short hop fast fall laser i think they are the same either way so why learn the double laser if they both work and to me short hop fast fall laser is a bit faster and less risky though the double laser is cool


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No, they aren't the same. Why? Because, you see, double short hop lasering gets off TWO lasers. Normal SHB only gets off one. If you're using it for chip damage, this makes it twice as effective as normal blastering, since it racks up damage twice as fast.

[RockCrock]

But you fast-fall the single laser... how much of a difference it makes, I can't tell.

I can do the dshl about 90% of the time, and with great speed. I'd say the double can put out damage faster... but thats just me.

:cool:

[Umbreon]

better to single and fastfall. less damage for less risk is worth it. The damage is free after all, no point getting greedy.

[AWrulez]

Single short hop blaster in pressure situations (if the opponent is close), but try to double short hop blaster if you have enough breathing room and feel comfortable with it.
After around 15 minutes of practicing in training mode and vs. computers, I can do it close to 70% of the time. :D

[ivootjes(nr18)]

My thumbs are not fast enough to do this.

Btw: I saw a CPU do a DSHB today :crazy:

[the_suicide_fox]

By the way it should be Short Hop Double Laser, not Double Short Hop Laser. Just a thought on the term itself

[gore]

I've been wanting to start playing fox for a while, seeing as how I'm not to good with the other 2 top tiers. Maybe this technique will make be a little better.

[Mr.C]

SF- ive seen your TRICK vid and i thought it was pretty cool i tried the short hop double blaster for a few mins and done it a few times but its pretty cool.. And yes i really think it can make a difference in a game insted of one theres two bullets hows that not better??!?!?!?............now to find out a way to double blaster with Falco MUAHAHAHA!

[stilettotrap]

I hope you're joking.

[Aftermath]

yeah, my friend Juce can do the shdl every time he tries, and is working on using it to move towards/away from the opponent. The only real diference i've seen it make is when he lands just as i get to him and he manages to shield/grab, whereas if he did 2 shl he would have just been grabbed or hit by me. I think it is better than the regular shl, and really doesn't leave you that much more vulnerable, just choose when to do each: far away-shdl near you- shl.

[the_suicide_fox]

You can DI the shdl though. After firing the first laser hold back or forward and you will fall in that direction while firing. It's good to do that if someone is running at you while you are shdl'ing since you can DI backwards enough to make them miss a grab.

[Suretman]

Cringes at the thought of double shb with falco, that would be horrible. You people keep saying you can't fastfall this, but I swear you can. Whenever I don't fastfall it I get this little bit of lag when I land as if you single shorthopped blastered and didn't fastfall. But whenever I attempt to fastfall it I don't see that lag. I wish I had a camera to show you what I mean but I don't.

[Umbreon]

well.....you're wrong, you can't fastfall this.

If you can come on up and show me.

[soberfox]

You guys are talking about not being able to fast fall Fox's dshl right? Because I don't think you can do a double SHL with Falco at all...

[Pathetiqu3]

Man, this is a really difficult trick to perform. I doesn't seem possible with the 'X' button. Do you do it with 'Y'?

[FalseFalco]

either, personally i use X for jump and Y for shdl... yeah its wierd but its much more consistant. usuing X is just as good but every 20 or so tiems i slide my finger across A i short hop an aerial.

[Ijuka]

I always SHDL with X, here is how I do it: X, slide the thumb to B so that you hit A in the way, but do it so fast that you hit the A BEFORE you have left the ground, so that it doesn't register the press, and then quicly to B. I can do this at 100% success rate now and I use the same method for JC shines . :D
Soo, it DEFINATELY is possible.

[ANTX]

well, i've got it down, but running DSHL backwards are teh hards, dudes. darkrain's not too bad at it, but he has fast finger....

[Zarelid]

Originally posted by fox user
this is simple you just tap the y button with oine thumb and b with the other i can almost do it 3 times

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ROFL did nobody read this hilairous post!?!?!?

anyways wow suicidefox I didn't know that it actually cause shield stun, I guess this tactic has more uses then I thought. I'll start doing it in battles more then just a taunt now =)

[element_of_fire]

I do double shl too... haha I thought I was the only one who actually uses that in real matches... I can reverse dshl too... the trick for me is I use the stick to jump... this frees my right hand up for pressing b... I think there is one vid of my fox out there on the hub... you should see some dshl's in there... its a crap vid though because I suck :p

[The_Krumber]

Originally posted by the_suicide_fox
Actually it can be pretty useful. Since the second laser is fire almost JUST before you land, if they shield it it's a free grab. The shield stun of Fox's laser is the same and Falco's, so against a shielding opponent both act the same way. And if you SH at someone they will expect you to do an aerial attack. Doing this stuns them long enough for a grab or you can charge upsmash and nail em when they try to grab/jump, whatever. Also, since you fire 2 lasers instead of 1 in a SH, from a distance this can be more aggitating to an enemy. I have gotten it so perfect that I can do it flawlessly very fast. While it's not as fast as standing there and laser spamming, it is still very fast and annoying. Plus if they approach you, you will have less recovery.

And no, pressing the buttons with the tip and middle of your finger is not the best way to do it. It's to hard to time and to slow, and not accurate. But if it works for you do it.
**** this guy is modest :P

[Cyphus]

o.O geeze...i don't find it that hard.
i just use the stick to jump....just barely flick it..and press B twice.
mwuahahahhaa..stick jumpers > button jumpers ^^
but..bleh, i use both anyway..depending on what kind of jump i'm using and attack

[280]

One thing I noticed while trying to get a hang of this was the first laser seems to just skim over most characters missing them. Am I just jumping too high/shooting too early or does this happen to anyone else?

[Mr.C]

[size=1]Kirby's SHDL with Falco's Laser is just GoDTieR! perfect jump so if it reflected it wont hit Kirbs. PWNT![size]

[Varuna]

So I can assume at this point that nobody even attempts to use their pointer finger to perform this trick. I do and it makes it quite a bit easier but then I fight usually with one that one finger over the face of my controller at all times this is aso good for JC shines faster. but for shdl Ill rest my pointer finger on the side of the y button and my thumb on b and it makes for alot less effort.

[ANTX]

if you SH with the control stick, it's super EZ. but beware that you may do a SH foxfire.

[Slinkovic]

After taking up Fox as main, I [naturally] after being inspired by Thunders, wanted to learn how to do it. I use the method of sliding my thumb across Y to B [which initiates the first laser] and then pressing B again before landing. Takes a while to get it into your game effectively though [running, wd shdl etc] but it's definitely a psychological advantage and, it just looks cool. =P

Other Fox players I know argue it's a waste of time, I think they're silly. :chuckle:

[Animal control]

This is easy, use the stick to shothop then just shoot the blaster twise.

[Xtra]

so how about some video links? i'd like to see it done