Whats the reason???

[Neophos]

Yeah. Pikachu is what, middle tier??

as far as i understand, he has a excellent set of smashes.

d smash set ups, f smash is edgeguarder, u smash is killer...

All his aerials are good, except fair....

nair is a solid aerial, dair is the same, but slower/stronger, uair is a good juggler and semi-spiker,bair got a little more range then nair...

He is fast, a good jumper, excellent recovery, a good projectile and is a small target....


What is his flaws?? im probably missing something totally obvius and stuff, but it seems to me, he dont have many/any weaknesses...

pictish and stiletto, respond please.

Awdbawl, say something of moderate IQ, or stay away....

[jrta]

Bad shield, nair is main approach and has meh priority. Recovery has gigantic hitbox. Not particularly heavy. Range on everything except fsmash/upsmash isn't great, short grab range.

[pictish freak]

What jrta said, and of course, in NTSC, Sheik.

[Neophos]

u smash also got pretty crappy range.. -_-

ok, thanks guys ^_^

and freak, i love your new sig ^^

its awesome!

[Blazin Elf]

U-tilt and D-tilt have pretty good range for Pikachu though. I agree with Neo on the sig, it looks awsome.

[jrta]

dtilt is decent, but not amazing since pika's cc isn't that good. u-tilt is nice, but very laggy for an up tilt. Can't believe i forgot about sheik.

[Blazin Elf]

But have pikachu use the U-tilt while facing to the left = bestestest taunt EVAR!

[pictish freak]

Gerneally I stay away from Pika's tilts. When I could land the U-tilt, I could normally land the up smash or a N-air much easier >.>

D-tilt can push people away while edge guarding, but it's tricky to time and jumping out for a U-air spike and edge hogging is gonna kill a whole lot more since it screws up more recoveries than D-tilt.

F-tilt can sorta be a back off move when people are close.. just sorta a kick to knock them moderately away, but Pikachu is fast enough to just run away generally.

I really don't like his tilts..

[Neophos]

but f tilt is Teh Karate kick!!

its Pikas mightiest weapon!!

i like his d tilt for edgeguarding.... but then again, my Pika sucks....

Is d tilt a legal edgeguarder??

[Rainy Day Toast]

light, floaty, is uphill against anyone with aerial range, crap grab range, has to light shield, airs other than nair and uair are mediocre, etc. etc. etc. also, what do you mean "legal edgeuarder"?

and i like pika's tilts.

[pictish freak]

I like Pika's D-air a fair bit, RDT..

What do you use Pika's tilts for then? As I seem to find other actions almost always better, but then if I'm not giving them a chance I can't find a use for them, eh?

Oh, and nice ava ^^;

[Neophos]

Example: Roys up B is not legal edgeguarding. its stupidity.

same with for example Kirbys down B.

on the other hand, "legal" edgeguarding moves could be Roys forward B and Kirbys up B.

they arent god, but not so stupid its illegal.

get my point??

[Blazin Elf]

Neophos, you are so wrong. F-tilt is not the best tilt, U-tilt is. Mooning your opponent with an electric rodent is a hunred times more annoying than some karate kick.

[Neophos]

you forgt to add [GameFAQs humor alert][/GameFAQs humor alert] around that post.. ^_^

[Rainy Day Toast]

neophos, nothing is "illegal" in Smash, except in some tourneys, a couple of glitches and stall tactics. so wtf are you talking about?

and Pictish, Pika's tilts are useful in that they're often faster than anything else you could use. ftilt and dtilt are good keepaway moves, and pika needs them when he doesn't have the time or position to hop in with a combo-starting aerial or a grab. and utilt is good for starting juggles when you're not in a position to get a good hit with usmash.

as for dair, almost any situation where i might use it, i find i tend to prefer nair.

[pictish freak]

Cheers RDT, I'll try that out.

As for D-air.. I find some D-air just out strips N-air sometimes. Leaping out to edge guard with it seems better than with N-air.. but maybe it is just preference.

[Neophos]

RDT, i just said so...

it should be illegal to be so stupid to bry and edgeguard with, say, fair...

so yeah, rephrasing the question, is Pikas tilt good edgguarders??

[jrta]

you can pretty much use any move to edge guard. I've edgeguarded with fair before, if you steal their second jump early. I've edge guarded with roy's up-b againt floaty characters. Now I wouldn't do it in a serious match, but no moves are really illegal. Same goes for the tilts, they aren't bad for edgeguarding, but you have better options. dtilt isn't bad against people who come in low, but can't perfectly sweetspot, like falcon, but if you saw that coming, you may as well fsmash.

[MR. P.A. Awdbawl]

Are you asking whether or not Pika is middle tier or worthy of it. Actually, he's worthy of moving up to high, but his poor shielding and light-weight holds him back. Pichu, on the other hand, doesn't have those weaknesses to hold him back. However, the reason why he hasn't moved much is because of one important factor: range. Otherwise, he would be Tip of the Top Tiers.

Showing the reality of the situation,

MR. P.A. Awdbawl

[Neophos]

Awdbawl. they already said that...

but since that was atleast a litttle IQ nvolved, except that part about top tier...


so i´ll let you live...

[pictish freak]

Are you asking whether or not Pika is middle tier or worthy of it. Actually, he's worthy of moving up to high, but his poor shielding and light-weight holds him back. Pichu, on the other hand, doesn't have those weaknesses to hold him back

Pichu is LIGHTER than Pikachu.

[nintendoaddict]

Actually, he's worthy of moving up to high, but his poor shielding and light-weight holds him back. Pichu, on the other hand, doesn't have those weaknesses to hold him back.
Pichu is one of the lightest in the game. He has a severe weight disadvantage.
Showing the reality of the situation,
More like showing the fantasy of the situation.

[MR. P.A. Awdbawl]

Originally posted by pictish freak
Pichu is LIGHTER than Pikachu.

NOW who's clipping quotes? Anywho, Pika should definitely move up in the ranks bit. Pichu as well but that's another topic.

Clearing up some mess,

MR. P.A. Awdbawl

[yoshmaster5]

Originally posted by MR. P.A. Awdbawl
NOW who's clipping quotes? Anywho, Pika should definitely move up in the ranks bit. Pichu as well but that's another topic.

Clearing up some mess,

MR. P.A. Awdbawl

...

right... *shoots JOO*

[the sideburns]

i find that pika's ftilt actually has deceptively long range and pretty good priority. and it might even have a prolonged hitbox in terms of time. i use it very rarely, but when i do use it, it seems to do good things for me. although, yeah, i'd advise using it mostly when the other guy's at high %, or else you won't move 'em anywhere.

[Melee Warrioir]

whoa are u serious pictish u dont use tilts such as D-tilt and F-tilt? wow i use them all the time. they are good for very very close range fighting. for example if ur opponent is trying to get too close, use D-tilt like 1 or 2 times then use F-tilt. ive used that millions of times and it works too so i definatly think u should try usin them more (or in ur case just start usin them lol)<-- that parenthesis message isnt meant to offend u btw pictish just my way of jokin 'round.

[pictish freak]

They're up close? I'll d-smash thanks. More likely to set up for something else, can't be spot dodged...

The only tilt I can see as being useful is U-tilt, but ah well, I still neglect it for whatever reason.

[Melee Warrioir]

i guess my last reason for recommending the other tilts instead of U-smash would be that just in case of a dodge or some kind of mind game that made ur opponent back away from ur U-smash and about to hit u with their own attack, if u used a tilt instead u would have a little more time to react. i guess in the end it comes down to the person's style of play...

[demoncaterpie]

I rarely use any of Pika's tilts. My strategy with Pika is called the "Hit and Run" strategy. You dash towards them, use a short hop manuever and either nuetral a or neutral b. Then, I try to land a throw or a down a. Then, I move out of the way and repeat.

I'm trying to move away from this strategy and move on to a more offensive strategy. If tilts are good for offense, then forget everything I just said. Tilts are awesome.

[Melee Warrioir]

well to what i would do is to try tilts first and see if u like it or not. that can decide how often u will choose to use it in battle. pictish is good and he doesnt use tilts, but im also good and i use tilts so it really depends on what ur safer using. but one of my personal thoughts is that every move of a character has some specific use. by using more variety of attacks u will find what those moves can really do for you.

[demoncaterpie]

Originally posted by Melee Warrioir
well to what i would do is to try tilts first and see if u like it or not. that can decide how often u will choose to use it in battle. pictish is good and he doesnt use tilts, but im also good and i use tilts so it really depends on what ur safer using. but one of my personal thoughts is that every move of a character has some specific use. by using more variety of attacks u will find what those moves can really do for you.

I recently used tilts in a battle against my friend to try them out.

Overall verdict: eh...

They just don't work for me. I can deffinetly see them as a strategy, but it's just not how I play.

I'm not trying to say your strategy sucks compared to mine. Their just different. You play your way and I play mine.

[Melee Warrioir]

of course dude i understand. hmm i just watched vids of AK a pikachu player and wow i got training to do. that guys a maniac, thats for sure. and the amazing vids i saw of him doin all those great moves he still loses... thats discouraging for pika players...

[Red Dragon]

Pika is one of the most average characters in the game, he's not good, but he's not bad.

His two main flaws that really stick out there are his weak sheild and low priority, his recovery isn't really a problem. And his tilts aren't great, when i use him in tournaments, i have an uphill battle vs Marth's and Sheik's, mainly because his aerials have low priority and not much range, so can easily be countered. So you' have to rely on mind games and speed to get Pikachu through these uphill battles.

[Rainy Day Toast]

pikachu's priority is fine

[demoncaterpie]

Originally posted by Melee Warrioir
of course dude i understand. hmm i just watched vids of AK a pikachu player and wow i got training to do. that guys a maniac, thats for sure. and the amazing vids i saw of him doin all those great moves he still loses... thats discouraging for pika players...

That's frikin awesome. Where'd you see the videos?

[Electricmouse]

Just look on the hub demoncaterpie. I should be with the other pika vids on there. Man, your right melee warrior it is kinda depressing seeing him lose after pulling off all of those crazy moves. Makes me kinda glad that I'm picking up other characters.

[Melee Warrioir]

well if u have aim then add "lovethesideburns" on. just tell him to send u the two vids of AK playing. yes i am trying to pick up characters but the sad truth is i just suck doing that lol. and half the things i see on videos i wonder how they even think that fast during the freakin gameplay... and my friends watch me play and they are like "woh" but if they saw those vids they would be blown away.....

[demoncaterpie]

Originally posted by Electricmouse
Just look on the hub demoncaterpie. I should be with the other pika vids on there. Man, your right melee warrior it is kinda depressing seeing him lose after pulling off all of those crazy moves. Makes me kinda glad that I'm picking up other characters.

Thanks Mouse. Haven't been looking at the hub since Jack's website showed up. Man, it beat the crap out of the hub.

[Red Dragon]

Originally posted by Rainy Day Toast
pikachu's priority is fine


Pikachu's priority and range is not fine, thats what holds him back from being high tier. There are a few attacks that do have good priority like his down smash, and his down aerial, or his up aerial, and his awesome forward smash, but most of his attacks get countered easily if hit at the same time, double check on that RDT, i'm sure you'll see what i mean.

[demoncaterpie]

Originally posted by Red Dragon
Pikachu's priority and range is not fine, thats what holds him back from being high tier. There are a few attacks that do have good priority like his down smash, and his down aerial, or his up aerial, and his awesome forward smash, but most of his attacks get countered easily if hit at the same time, double check on that RDT, i'm sure you'll see what i mean.

Actually, many of Pika's attacks have high priority, such as neutral a air and down a air. That's one of his better traits is his great priority.