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Hey this guide is currently in progress. I don't have much time on the computer so I have to try to do it a little at a time.
Ok, I have been skipping class ocassionally, and going to the library where they have the slowest computers in the world, but nevertheless they have internet.
So far I have gotten into trouble 2 times.
I wonder if I will make it to 10 before I finish this guide... hopefully I don't get any tickets.
First of all if you haven't read Drunk Cowboy's IC guide, then you should probably read it first because it's good and it lists damages and lots of things that I won't put in this guide because I don't want to plagerize his work. This guide is intended for those who are experienced at Smash, and know how to do techniques like Wavedashing, L-Canceling, and other techniques. I hope this guide turns out as good as I think it will, and I will be constantly updating and editing whenever I discover knew things. Also I plan to make a 2-part video split between A-Desynchronizing demonstration, and a grab combo demonstration against each character. However I want to have acess to a capture card so I can get good quality, so don't expect those vids for at least a month or two.
Obviously you have to learn how to use one before you can use two right? So when you are practicing at first go into training mode, and just jump off the ledge and then Belay so that popo makes it up and nana falls. You will need to be able to use the Solo Ice Climber because you will often have to face the opponent without nana, if she has already been Ko'd or if she is not near you. The Solo IC is still a pretty good character, but you lose alot of the Ice Climbers Benefits when you are playing solo, so you will have to play perfectly to make up for the disadvantages.
The disadvantages are
>You lose most of your grabbing game
>You can't use the belay to recover(even though that shouldn't be your primary recovery move anyway)
>The Fwd-B doesen't go as far vertically when done solo.
>You cannot de-synchronize
This is how you will have to make up for theese disadvantages:
Since you won't be able to do chain grabs like dthrow to short hop dair, fthrow to aerial blizzard, or dthrow to short hop fair, you will only have one grab chain which is the d-throw, followed up by a jump-cancel grab, and it only works against a limited amount of characters and only at certain percentages.So far I have found that this chain works best against: Fox, Sheik, C.Falcon, Gannon.
Don't use Belay to recover because it won't do anything, instead air dodge or fwd-b. If you get knocked really far away from the edge, and you still have a second jump, then D.I. as far as you can horizontally as long as you don't fall below the edge and use your second jump and then fwd-b.
If the Ice Climbers are both standing together, then you do an A move, Nana will always shortly do the same move afterward. Whenever you do a B move they usually work together, to do a move, or in other words they each play a different role in doing the move.
Information about the A-moves:
Information about the B-moves:
Ice Shot(B): You shouldn't ever use this move Synchronized, unless in the air. You should instead just make nana do the Ice Shot, and then have popo wavedash or run foward,
Blizzard(Down B): If you do the blizzard with popo, and nana is close by then she will mimic him as soon as she is able to do a move, but if you de-synch and do it with only nana, then popo is not obligated to mimic her. So you will always have to make nana do the blizzard, if you want to do it in de-synch comboes.
Squall Hammer(Foward B):
You wanna try to recover with foward b more often than up b, because it goes alot further and it is safer to atempt. But you have to get them really close together or else when you try it, only popo will do it, and nana will continue to fall. Up b works really good sometimes if you need to go strait up, but you shouldn't really do it much when you need to go far horizontally, because you can only Directional Influence Popo, and it leaves nana in danger of being ko'd.
De-synchronizing is one of the most important things you must do when you play the IC's. Not only do you get to attack twice as often, but you usually do more damage with two individual attacks as well.
The basic way to de-synch is to side dodge while standing still with both IC's and then quickly make nana do a move by herself by immediately doing an attack after the side dodge. You can also roll into a desynch as long as they do the roll together.The Ice shot is the easiest so I will go over it first. Immediately after you press standard b to do an Ice Shot and if de-synchronized only nana will do it, then while she does her ice shot make popo do an ice shot, and alternate them(you will have to practice to figure out the rythym). Once you can alternate them with an even amount of time between them then try, doing an Ice shot with nana, then wavedash(foward or backward) with popo and quickly make him do an ice shot, and then once nana catches up to him she can do hers and so on. Another trick is to turn around quickly with popo while nana does the Ice shot and then do Popo's in the opposite direction and then nana will turn around and you can do the ice shot with her, and repeat process.
Or you can do an Ice shot with nana and then run or wavedash with popo following behind the Ice shot, and if they shield you can grab them, or if they try to attack you can either wavedash back to evade, or attack depending on the situation.
The blizzard de-synch is done the same, you just side dodge and quickly make nana do the blizzard. You always want to have nana do the blizzard, because if popo does it then nana will mimic him, but if nana does it popo will not mimic her. Once nana is doing the blizzard you have all kinds of options for popo, you can shield, or even wavedash into the middle of the blizzard, and shield and then maybe grab from the shielding position, or you could just wavedash into a smash while nana covers you with the blizzard.I also like to do comboes like de-synched blizzard with nana and then run foward and short hop standard a l-cancel into a grab or a smash. Or another short range combo is to do a foward b with popo while nana does the blizzard, because it does alot of damage. I also like doing desynchs where I do a blizzard with nana and then jump and do an Ice shot with popo, and you have the option of turning around and doing the Ice shot in the alternate direction of the blizzard.
Chain Throwing:
This is probably the most important thing you must master, because many characters like sheik and gannon can easily rape the IC's, but on the other hand the you can chain grab them from 0% and then throw-smash them away around 60-80%. You can chain grab alot of the characters in the game, but it is important for you to understand that every character falls differently and you will have to use different forms of chain grabbing against different characters. I have found that using the jump-cancel grab is better in chains, but sometimes it makes more since to use a good ole' running grab. You just have to think of it like, You have two different forms of grabs available to you and they each can be used more effectively in certain situations and neither grab is really better then the other.
The first chain is called the Dair chain. It is done by grabbing with Popo and then throwing down, and short hop(or full jump in some cases) and Dair in order to knock your enemy down quickly so you can run foward and grab them again. This chain works good against: C.Falcon, Gannon, Bowser, DK, and Peach.
Another chain is to just throw down and then run foward and do a grab(remember you have 2 grabs to choose from) without even doin an aerial with nana. Against Sheik, it is a good idea to dash dance right after you throw, then dash back at them and grab so that they can't D.I. out of your chain. This chain works good against: C.Falcon(at low percentages), Fox, Sheik, Falco, and Gannon(at low percentages). One advantage of using this chain is that if you miss with popo, nana's grab will follow right behind, and although it is favorable to have popo grab(because nana will do a random number of hits, and then throw the enemy a random direction)you can still charge a smash or something, and release it right before nana throws.
One major disadvantage is against characters with strong projectiles such as Samus, Link, and Falco. It is especially hard to dodge the constant missles of a missle canceling Samus. You have to be really cautious that nana does not get seperated from you, because then she is a helpless target for any projectiles that come her way, and she can easily be knocked off the screen by a couple of power missles. I still need alot of work on my power shielding, but I think it would be especially usefull since the IC's have 2 shields, if you could power-sheild EVERY projectile back at your enemy, then projectile characters would loose their advantages. Another way suggested by Drunk Cowboy(who lately, I am not sure if he is the same person as Cory) is to triangle jump, which is jumping, and then air-dodging through the projectile back to the ground(not to be confused with wavedashing) this works pretty good, but it would be preferable to power shield.
I personally have never used C-stick when playing smash until only recently, I would always use fwd and a to smash, but I have found out that certain techniques are impossible to do without using the C-stick. For Example, I desynch and begin charging a smash with nana, and I want to do a short hop back A L-cancel, and release the smash Afterward, then you have to use C-stick to do the short hop back a, because if you use A to smash, then you will have to release the smash before you do the aerial back A. When I started using C-stick, I noticed that I was using my thumb to jump, for A and B, and to C-stick. I think that this doesen't make sense, because if I have 4 other fingers, then why should I use my thumb for 4 buttons, so I want to try to use only my thumb to C-stick, and use my index for A and B and my middle to jump, and the ring to grab with z. The IC's are hard to Short hop with, and I find it hard to do unless I use my thumb so I am not sure if I will change the way I hold the controller, but I think it is more efficient to hold it the way I described. Also if you don't use C-stick much and you want to practice it, then you will have to go into vs mode instead of training, and go up against a computer and put them in the freeze glitch so you can practice without being hassled. If you don't know how to freeze glitch, then you de-synch by side dodging and then grab with nana and fwd-B with popo.
Dr.Capsule
09-15-2004, 03:35 AM
Sounds great.
Every now and then I read a IC guide and I feel like playing them again. But, what's the freezing glitch? :confused:
I will check for updates on this.
You have to grab with nana, and then do a foward b with popo, and it will make the opponent stuck, or frozen in a glitch. You can get them out of this glitch by grabbing and throwing them upward or back, but if you do an Ice block or blizzard while they are in this glitch, then they will have a permanent block of Ice frozen around them, making it impossible for you to free them.
Neophos
09-20-2004, 05:07 PM
You can unfreeze them by throwing a screw attack on them...
yeah.
whatever...
Originally posted by gore
First of all if you haven't read Drunk Cowboy's IC guide, then you should probably read it first because it's good and it lists damages and lots of things that I won't put in this guide because I don't want to plagerize his work.
where can i find this guide?
Originally posted by NaS
where can i find this guide?
Ok, in the IC's forum it only shows the most recent threads, you have to go to the bottom, and change the option to "from the beginning" instead of " the last 30 days" and then it will show you all the IC's threads.
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