any jigg player ever...

[Tyrant]

since marth is jigglypuff's counter, i've been training and beat two marths level 9 on a team against me! anyone have done that? or better?

[mtbandy]

Jigglypuff should decimate any team. Take cruel melee for example. I've got 40 kills with jigglypuff (a considerable amount more than any other character), and I practically never use jigglypuff. Whether you're playing agaisnt marth or anyone else, let the CPU drop through a platform, then rest. It's not like they attack as they drop down though something. This might be more of an accomplishment if done in final destination, since taking advantage of the CPU can be a little trickier there. Regardless, I think beating a human is more impressive, even if it is only one vs. one.

[Tyrant]

one of my friends play a marth. he is pretty good but i can still beat him, not all the time but still he is my counter and should slaughter me. he is bad or i'm just good. lol, 40!? thats awsome.

[mtbandy]

Being able to beat your friend says a lot more for your game. Marth may be a counter to jigglypuff, but that really only applies if it's a human marth that knows what he's doing. Good luck with that match. It's discouraging when you're opponent has an advantage before the match even starts.

[AWrulez]

Jiggs is actually considered pretty close to even with Marth. Her back air has comparable range with his aerials, he outmaneuvers Marth in the air, edgeguards Marth while not being edgeguarded himself, and Marth's target size and falling speed make him a very easy character to juggle with Jiggly's aerials.

[mtbandy]

Look at the "jigglypuff counter characters" topic in this forum. It makes a convincing case that marth is indeed a significant counter.

[Blazin Elf]

Originally posted by mtbandy
Being able to beat your friend says a lot more for your game. Marth may be a counter to jigglypuff, but that really only applies if it's a human marth that knows what he's doing. Good luck with that match. It's discouraging when you're opponent has an advantage before the match even starts.

It's possible that his friend sucks too. Only about 2 of the people I play actualy give me experience, the other 10 or so have a hard time against a lvl 5 CPU.

[Tyrant]

oh trust me though he is really good, and so am i and my friends. but how could i explain good? there are many people here that might say they are good and aren't, or is really good. who knows?

[Neophos]

download the vids of Kone [Jiggs] vs LK [Ganon]. if you are as good as in those vids, then youre really good.

but if you think beating 2 level 9 CPUs is good, then you arent good. its as easy as that. just watch the Snex pwns level 9 vids. or artifical stupidity.

[Tyrant]

could you give me a link to it? i do agree that cpus are not really the way to say i'm good.

[Neophos]

i think those vids only are on DC.

dont think he put them up anywhere else =/

[Mr.C]

I have a news flash!. Marth isnt much of a counter to Jiggs. WHY U ASK!. well i played the best Jiggs in the nation *Zulu* Marth is nothing to him. Ill explain.

1. Yes marth can *In the zone Jiggs, But if a good jiggs player is there it is very easy to tilt out and counter hit

2. ducking purposes.... when jiggs ducks she cant be grabed *THEN BAM A SCREEM!*

3. getting Marth of the edge. If Marth is of the edge almost 100% death. Ill explain, well we all know jiggs has awesome air combos well if marth is in the way then he's screwed why? because he only covers vertical ground on his recovery. And jiggs can stop him from moving at all.
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JIGGS
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1. always CC ( crouch cancel ) it keeps u from moving the a screem occurs usually
2. pwn
3. pwn some more

thats my 2 sence

[TiRune]

I agree with Mr.C, I play jiggles vs. marth on tourneys just because I like playing with her better then peach. you just need to learn how 2 DI and stop marths recovery. aerial dodge is also VERY important in this matchup.

A trick I like to do also is edge-hog, when they recover low theyr edge-hogged and when they recover high with their up+B, jump in and rest... its that ez -_-'

[Mr.C]

Yes Tirune i know what u mean :D. But really Marth being a counter to Jiggs was thought to be so........about 2 years ago. Actually Jiggs does good against everyone. L-cancle comboe's to scream OUCH!

[JesusFreak]

If Marth doesn't counter Jiggly, then why did DSF counterpick Marth after zulu beat his sheik? DSF won that match Marth vs Jiggly.

I believe the matchup isn't as lopsided as some people make it out to be, but it's still in favor of marth if the two players are at similar skill levels.

[TiRune]

Jesusfreak, he also counterpicked a small level with the marth choice. everyone knows that jiggly and other floaty characters have problems on small levels. On more favourable levels, like Mute City, jiggly would have an advantage herself...

the whole idea is to have a situation in which marth and jiggs play with equal level advantage. like mr.C stated, you can do enough easy stuff with jiggles to counter most of the things a marth does. the only problem with jiggly is that (unlike sheik) you need a different strategy against every character. against zelda I stick to the floor like a bit of chewn bubblegum, against DK I play aggressive to get in aerials, against Fox I go for the aerials into rest comboes etc.
unless you practice against every char like this and make up a tactic that works against that character, your gonna have a hard time with jiggles. I'm sure she can take on everyone or have only a slight disadvantage (which can be worked around with the tactics change).
My jiggly's favourite matchup in tournaments is Marth, just because I let her practice against a marth ALOT

[shadowhunter]

Originally posted by Mr.C
Actually Jiggs does good against everyone. [/B]

is it just me or does jiggly suck big time vs fox ...

[JesusFreak]

Originally posted by TiRune
Jesusfreak, he also counterpicked a small level with the marth choice.

How would you know? You weren't even there.

[JesusFreak]

Originally posted by shadowhunter
is it just me or does jiggly suck big time vs fox ...

It's just you. I'd say Jiggly has a 5.5 to 4.5 advantage over Fox. It's close, but Jiggly wins the matchup. In no way does Jiggly suck vs Fox.

(sorry about double post, but it wouldn't let me copy/paste)

[Mr.C]

WHAT?!?!? jiggs does very well against foxy.. and yes jf he did lose to DSF........but still i think the favors arn't directing to Marth more its in the middle i'd say.

[TiRune]

fox vs jiggles matchup is rather advantagous to jiggles Id say. I usually dont have much trouble against fox, just space well ^_^

all the top and high tiers are pretty close to each other with the matchups, guess why they're ranked almost just as high as each other :P

How would you know? You weren't even there.

well since he counterpicked marth the most logical conclusion is that he also picked a small level so marth would have the level advantage.
Even IF he would've picked a large level and won, that doesn't mean that marth has an advantage over jiggles. you can't measure that with 1 match, those 2 wouldve played a whole lot of matches, and even then, since every tourney jiggles player plays a bit differently there's no saying that marth has a definite advantage over jiggles just because he doesnt know how to play against one.

[ivootjes(nr18)]

Originally posted by shadowhunter
is it just me or does jiggly suck big time vs fox ...

OUCH, this really hurts me. If you could have seen how Tirune beat my fox at Dutch Tournament 9... (3 times a rest)

Oh, and I think that marth just had an advantage over JP. :o

Edit: (sorry this in dutch cause shadowhunter WAS at DT9 :mad: )wtf? Heb je niet goed opgelet op dt9 ofzo???

[shadowhunter]

nope heb k niet gezien k was vast bij een andere cube

Edit: t probleem is vast dat ik zuig met rest ... dat moet ik echt hard trainen

Edit: ik heb eigenlijk geen een match van tirune gezien dus das wel jammer :(

[Mr.C]

W^H^A^T^T^H^E^!

[TiRune]

Ivootjes, shadowhunter and me are dutch. so shadowhunter started talking dutch instead of english :P

[shadowhunter]

sry my bad >_<
I'm looking forward to the next DT :D

[B-Run]

yea, there's a reason Jiggs is called the Space Animal Slayer.

[TiRune]

hope 2 c u at the next DT shadow, we could exchange some puffstuff :P

btw b-run, jiggs is a rather even match against fox, read some other thread in this boards about it.

[shadowhunter]

actually im kinda new to the jigg power :D
ryuker and darkmaster told me i was annoying with it so im training with jiggs now so i can kick their *** :P

Edit: plz can any1 tell me the best way to rest fox and marth

[Thwick]

For fox, you've pretty much got Up Throw, Jump, Rest at about <35%. You've also got uptilt and rest at low percentages, and uptilt>short hop>rest at higher percentages. Then you've got pound into rest combos, but there's a lot of em and they're situational/sometimes unplanned, so you'll just have to experiment. Try to get him with Upwards Pounds>DI backwards>rest, or try and hit him with just the tip of your Pound and then DI back into rest.

I'll let TiRune or someone talk about marth, i'm not too sure myself.

[Sintenal]

ive been messin with Jiggly, im wonderin if anyone else does this. I liek to shield somethin then jump out of shield into rest

anyoen else try this?

w00t post 500 ^_^

[JesusFreak]

LOL. That's what jotun calls the "rest counter" I haven't integrated it into my game yet, but it seems like a good tactic. Apparently one of jotuns friend who likes to screw around as Jiggly sometimes (he's a sheik/zelda main) uses that "rest counter" a lot.

edit for below post: Oh. -_- I'm dumb. :o

[jotun]

no, he doesn't do that. he just gets a lot of rests from out of nowhere. that's something i do

[TiRune]

Resting marth is pretty hard, if not impossible at a tourney level. you won't get close enough to use one of the moves that lead into rest efficently... but you can ofcourse, although it's highly situational like thwick said. all the normal rest comboes (pound into, u-air into, n-airl-cancel into, drill kick into u-tilt into, u-tilt into etc.) still work but it's a gamble since your opponent can just DI into a different direction everytime.
what I do like to do is pretending to edgehog, the marth u-b's high and lands on the platform and you jump and rest him (since the lag of landing the u-b with marth is long.

whatever you do against marth, DONT hunt for the rest. mayb only if you're way behind but just dont. marth has a tip of his sword when you miss, and trying to get the rest is too hard when he's keeping you at a distance...

I've pulled off some rests on marths in tourneys, but most people know how to DI out of it now so I can't anymore :P (hope the other Rune still recalls NT2, d-throw into rest, the poor sod didn't know how to DI :P)

[jotun]

actually I think down throw to rest only works on marth if he DIs the wrong way

[TiRune]

aka don't even try to make it work :P

[shadowhunter]

wtf is DI >_<

[TiRune]

DI = directional influence

hold the control stick into a direction when you get hit and you'll fly more towards the direction u pressed...

read the compendium ;)

[shadowhunter]

k thx so bassicly ... jiggly sucks vs marth ..

[TiRune]

not at all, not being able to rest marth isn't that much of a problem. Jigglys game is far more then rest comboes. jigglys pound and WoP only have a slight disadvantage over Marths air game, just use good mind games and the matchup should be quite even :P. read some other threads here on how to counter marth with jiggs ^_^