Pikachu Advanced Strategies

[PikachuPower]

Hey guys, I'm new to the boards, but i have been playing super smash brothers melee for a long time now. I know all the basics, but I was wondering if any good pika players could help me out.

I beat most of the people I play and I have always been pretty good at the game, but i have never been to a torny and I probably can't comepete untill i get a LOT more practice and some help from you guys. ;) Anything will help.

[MR. P.A. Awdbawl]

Ask for a guy named Pictish Freak. He specializes in Pikachu. I, on the other hand, specialize in Pichu. If you want to get comparisons of the two, just ask either of us.

Helping a newcomer,

MR. P.A. Awdbawl

[jrta]

Ask for a guy named Pictish Freak. He specializes in Pikachu. I, on the other hand, specialize in Pichu. If you want to get comparisons of the two, just ask either of us.
OMG are you serious? Anyways, try to ignore what Awdball posts. First thing to do would probably be to look up our general terms in the compendium thread stickied in the melee discussion room. That will have a lot of the basic knowledge you need to read these boards.
Then read around the boards and see how much of the stuff is new to you and how much you already know, maybe watch some vids from DC++. The next best thing for you to do is find smashboarders in your region or local tournaments in the tournaments room.

[MR. P.A. Awdbawl]

But he already knows that.

Stating a fact,

MR. P.A. Awdbawl

[jrta]

Knows what? To ignore your posts?

[PikachuPower]

I have been looking througth the threads, and I have noticed a few terms I'm not familiar with:wavedashing, shuffle air moves or something, and mind games.

I would appreciate it if pictish freak could help me out with some combos or good strategies too. (I heard he is good pika)

Thanks Guys. :D

[jrta]

As I mentioned above, read the compendium thread to learn those terms. Also, there are other threads already here posted about pika strategies, you should post in those to get more answers.

[stilettotrap]

Awdbawl, Pictish knows more about both Pichu and Pikachu than you do...

Even I know more about the rats, and I don't play either as my primary characters.

Show up at the two Planet Neo singles tourneys in August if you'd like to prove me wrong - you'll be seeing me at both.

[MR. P.A. Awdbawl]

Originally posted by PikachuPower
I have been looking througth the threads, and I have noticed a few terms I'm not familiar with:wavedashing, shuffle air moves or something, and mind games.

I would appreciate it if pictish freak could help me out with some combos or good strategies too. (I heard he is good pika)

Thanks Guys. :D

Not a problem. It took me awhile to learn some of these terms and so it's always good to lend a helping hand to fellow smashers. That's when Pictish helped me out big time. Also, don't be afraid to go to other threads and ask some questions there as well. One thing to keep in mind though. Pika and P are (obviously) two different styles of the same pokemon. In other words, red apple and green apple.

Laying down some skill,

MR. P.A. Awdbawl

[stilettotrap]

You and your selective reading...

[jrta]

Apparently he doesn't read any of the posts and just either posts the same things as someone said before or just some utter randomness.

[fluffy-sama]

Originally posted by jrta
OMG are you serious? Anyways, try to ignore what Awdball posts.

This may be slightly off-topic, and maybe I'd have to be around longer and know Awdball better, or something... since i'm kinda new... but.. that seemed just a little rude..

more on topic.. my strategies with Pikachu probably aren't that advanced... I like to ***** his upsmash in close proximity... it's like.. stronger than foxes.. or up throw and follow them with up air an dthen THUNDERGWAHAHAH.. getting them high enough up in the air to hit themwith the thundercloud rox too, cuz they go insta-die-die... ^^;

[stilettotrap]

Awdbawl has a reputation for inventing combos that don't work and making false statements. He also ignores anyone who disagrees with him... with no prior experience in major tournaments, he claims to know more about Pichu than the Pichu players who have. So yeah, ignore his posts.

[pictish freak]

I'd liek to start this off by officially saying ignore Awdbawl and any advice he gives. He's quite honestly one of the worst posters I've ever seen, gives terrible advice and knows extremely little about Pichu, failing to accept the fundamental hit and run mentality of high level Pichu. One of his 'amazing combo's' is Skullbash to dash attack and repeat. I'm sure anyone can see teh flaw in that: Bowser, with the slowest walking speed in the game could WALK out the combo. Oh, and Awdbawl, though your selective reading will avoid this sentence (not that I care, by ignoring it everyone sees your wrong anyway) I'd like to say:

Pikachu and Pichu are not 'red apple green apple' That's like saying Ganon and Falcon should be played the same. Pichu is extreme hit and run, Pikachu is not. Pichu's moves are far to different in hitting properties.. If I tried to play my Pikachu like Pichu I'd get hit too much, and if I tried to play Pichu like Pikachu I'd be failing to kill anyone, downsmashing for no real good reason, not using aerials enough and hurting my self far too much with thunder jolt. Don't give me the 'clones play the same/similiarly' crap, it's plainly untrue.


Anyways, someone wants help and such ^^


Originally posted by PikachuPower
I have been looking througth the threads, and I have noticed a few terms I'm not familiar with:wavedashing, shuffle air moves or something, and mind games.

I would appreciate it if pictish freak could help me out with some combos or good strategies too. (I heard he is good pika)

Thanks Guys. :D

Wavedashing, shuffling, I could try explaining here but it's better to just read it in the terms list in my guide in another thread. That's also there for reading if you want to get a lot of Pikachu's play down. The first thing I advice is playing Pikachu and just working on getting his wavedash and L-cancelling down. Being able to use N-air at ground level with no lag is brilliant. A few general pieces of advice:

If facing someone without a projectile who's far away or just not walking over to Pikachu, spam thunder jolt. Jump and fire thunder jolt. They wont be able to short hop to attack, or run at you. If they stand there deflecting the jolt, keep it up. IF they block 10 shots then get hit by one, you're winning right? As long as you're winning or breaking even it's good. (unless of course it's a tourny and you're behind in stock or percent, and can't win by delaying the match).

When approaching with Pikachu, be sure to use thunder jolt to stun or force them to act early. Using a shuffle without the fast fall is useful, as you can N-air through an enemy with the shield up, making Pikachu ungrabbable.

Downsmash is extremely useful, get used to using it to lead into aerials and getting Pikachu out of tight spots. Spot dodge an attack, it can flow straight into downsmash to get some breathing space.

Well, that's some of the general advice I can think of giving, if you have more queeries, just ask specific questions and I'll answer them. That goes for both Pikachu and Pichu, despite their different play styles I can ply both at tourny level. Ignore Awdbawl, he'll only bring your game down, I can't stress that enough.

[Marth123]

Thx, I'm starting to understand many terms that I handn't before. I'm practicing them all. Got WDing down and I'm starting to use it in my game. Shuffling took me a while but I pretty much can use it at will now.

I still don't understand HOW to JC with pikachu, I don't really even know what that means, it's the one thing I still need to learn. When i asked in you're thread pictish, I wasn't trying to criticize, and I guess I mistated something.

Help out a n00b. ;)

BTW this is my brothers name... It's Pikachu Power.

[pictish freak]

To JC, hit the stick up to jump while dashinng. IF you press grab before you jump, you'll do a standing grab instead of a running grab. Much better. If you do it with an up smash instead, you can slide along a tad while using an up smash straight from the dash.

In my guide though, I was refering to JC from a shield. Hit both sticks up while in a shield and Pikachu will immediately up smash from it.

[PikachuPower]

I'm getting used to these techniques. Recently I have been able to WD, shuffle, and L-cancel with my eyes closed.;) I like JCing also.

I can tell these moves have improved my play greatly. I can desroy my friends and brother. I guess I'l have to teach them all these strategies. :chuckle:

I have been waiting for a tournament in my area... still haven't found any. :mad:

I have been practicing a lot with pikachu and pichu and I'm going to TRY to take my play to the next level.

Thx for the help!

[Melee Warrioir]

hey hey dont forget about me im good with pikachu also. PM me for anything specific if ya need help. also with pikachu always try to set ur opponent up for combos but u dont have to be too risky and it still pays off. yes continue wavedashing and combine it with the c-stick will also help. (mainly for forward C-stick smash) i remember going to my frist tournament it was on my birthday too lol. anyways i was pretty surprised how good i was due to ppl's lack of knowing pikachu's true power. i sure punished them for that. just battle a variety of different ppl and continue to do wat ur doing. trust me, in the paractice rounds at the tournament i faced like 8 different ppl using different characters and i beat them all. just know when to use more arial attacks at times and when to use more ground attack at times this depends on who ur fighting. if u want to practice ur ground vs ground battle, fight mario, and for arial... ummm not sure.... probably luigi. remember this also: pikachu's tail acts like a sword with marth. for example u have to hit marth not the sword, and u have to hit pikachu and NOT its tail. lol i hope i made sense to u and helped ya out.

[Neophos]

Grammar is your friend.



pictish, i been using Pika a little lately, hes pretty fun =P



and his up smash =O its teh killer! i read your guide, and stuff, but you got any advice on how to beat a good Fox?? some good tips and cheats and stuff

some info on teh Fox (btw, its Helios, i wanna beat him with teh chu=P)

He likes shuffled uairs. and hes good at using them.
He uses reflector pretty often.
He never edgehog, dunno why.
He uses fire fox more oftehn then illusion.
He pwns.



any good advice?? or particular places in your guide to read?? or something??

[Rainy Day Toast]

uthrow chain grab. shuffle nairs. tailspike. try not to suck.

[pictish freak]

Well, a few fox things.

What RDT said... Up throw is nice. CAn lead to more up throws, or N-air, or U-air then N-air. Stuff like that >.>

Downsmash can set up nicely for shuffled N-air, JC up smash or jump and use thunder jolt. These can all work with some success.

At low damage, it's possible to juggle him on your up smash once or twice.

Since Fox is **** hard to KO up the ways, it's best to get him off the side and edgeguard. Good thing he's easy to edgeguard, no?

If he's every below the edge, quikcly fire a thunder jolt at him. If it hits him, he'll fall lower. Probably have to sweet spot, in qhich case he eats F-smash. If you can get it off fast enough, jolt can also intecept illusion.

Try this - Back throw at edge (easy to throw him back at the very edge thanks to intial roll...) then turn around and jolt. It's very tempting to go out and U-air spike, might work for you, but i find it but easier to F-smash or jolt to keep him down. If he recovers high though, do U-air him straight back down. With all this, it's possible to rack up major damage on fox if youc an get him off the side early. Edgeguard to death from about mid damage ^^

Oh, when fox trys to approach you, full jump, jolt, fast fall. It'll make it impossible for him to shffle an attack, and then it hugs the ground anyway.

Don't try and shield grab fox, he'll go into shine which hits through 'chus crappy shield. No good.

That's about all I can think of off the top of my head.

[Neophos]

RDT: 1. can it be DI easy?? 2. does. 3. cant really get hang of the spike... 4. impossible

pictish: thanks=P me gonna practice real much^^

[Influenza]

Originally posted by pictish freak

Don't try and shield grab fox, he'll go into shine which hits through 'chus crappy shield. No good. Forgive my ignorance, but why does Pikachu's shield suck? I see it repeated a lot, but no one ever really qualifies the statement. Just a curious noob...

[MR. P.A. Awdbawl]

Is there anything else that we should be aware of when playing as Pikachu?

Understand the "evolved" one,

MR. P.A. Awdbawl

[pictish freak]

Anything you should be aware of playing as Pikachu? *hits head of keyboard* *cries* You don't even understand Pichu in the slightest!

Oh, and no, there's nothing you should be aware of.

THAT'S WHY THERE'S A 13000 WORD FAQ IN THIS ROOM

[MR. P.A. Awdbawl]

Originally posted by pictish freak
Anything you should be aware of playing as Pikachu? *hits head of keyboard* *cries* You don't even understand Pichu in the slightest!

Oh, and no, there's nothing you should be aware of.

THAT'S WHY THERE'S A 13000 WORD FAQ IN THIS ROOM

This ISN'T about Pichu (despite my love for the guy), it's ABOUT Pikachu. Plus, there may be some things that weren't covered in the 13000 word Faq you provided. Also, could you simplify some of the items that were on there....for my clarification, please?

Being civil,

MR. P.A. Awdbawl

[Neophos]

pictish, i already told you, the only thing you should read in that guide is that pika + temple = pwnage.

[yomominacan]

Originally posted by MR. P.A. Awdbawl
This ISN'T about Pichu (despite my love for the guy), it's ABOUT Pikachu. Plus, there may be some things that weren't covered in the 13000 word Faq you provided. Also, could you simplify some of the items that were on there....for my clarification, please?

Being civil,

MR. P.A. Awdbawl


lol 13000 words is pretty through. Did you read any of the 13000 words? well logic would say that is pictish had any other ideas, they should have been put into the faq. And since the faq is 13000 words, you can assume he put all of his ideas in it.

[ta11geese3]

From what I've learned here, lcanceling pika/pichu's b moves is a highly advanced technique that allows for some very slick combos.

[Neophos]

Originally posted by yomominacan
lol 13000 words is pretty through. Did you read any of the 13000 words? well logic would say that is pictish had any other ideas, they should have been put into the faq. And since the faq is 13000 words, you can assume he put all of his ideas in it.


yeah, but he hasnt updated it maybe^^

and often specificated info is better then FAQ read=P



but who cares?? all you need to know is Pika + temple = pwnage

[jrta]

Don't forget about l-cancelling your dash dances as well. Though by doing so, it becomes difficult to avoid rolling/WDing while dash dancing.

Awdball, come on now. This guide that pictish wrote covers most of the basics you will need for pika. You should try to understand this before asking for anything else. And you clearly do not, as you asked for
Also, could you simplify some of the items that were on there....for my clarification, please?
Yeah umm... it's pretty simple already? Of course, for you it might be a challenge since you only read every few words. If you ACTUALLY need clarification because you read the whole thing and don't understand it, then there are other options available to you.
Ask specific questions about parts that you didn't understand (NOTE: PREFERABLY ONES THAT YOU HAVEN"T ASKED BEFORE). Either that or ****ing improve your reading ability. No one else seems to have problems with the posts on this board, it's just you.

[pictish freak]

Yea, listen, this guide was MADE so that G-faqs users who don't visit the board can see and pick up some advanced techniques, then learn how to use them with Pika.

My guide should be out of NO ONE's reach, and it far exceeeds anything you can do with any character, Awdbawl.

[GuardianSphinx]

Is this a discussion or is it a debate of who likes the pikas the most?

=/

[GuardianSphinx]

I just the following posts...

Im staying WAY out of this...

i may die now

[Influenza]

Originally posted by Influenza
Forgive my ignorance, but why does Pikachu's shield suck? I see it repeated a lot, but no one ever really qualifies the statement. Just a curious noob... Can someone please answer my question now? :)

[stilettotrap]

Pika's shield is really small... parts of his body will start to stick out after just one or two attacks, rendering his shield practically useless until it regenerates again. If he light shields (try just barely holding the R/L button), the size of his shield increases, but then he gets pushed too far back upon blocking an attack, which destroys pretty much all chances at a shield-counter. His grab range sucks.

Yeah.

[rmusgrave]

From what I've learned here, lcanceling pika/pichu's b moves is a highly advanced technique that allows for some very slick combos.

Whaaa? You can Lcancel Pika's b moves?:crazy:

Don't forget about l-cancelling your dash dances as well. Though by doing so, it becomes difficult to avoid rolling/WDing while dash dancing.

What??? I must be seriously out of the loop here...

Pika can L-cancel other moves than aerials?


This comes from a former Pika player, so I'm not a complete idiot like some people in this forum... :p

Sorry if this was mentioned in your guide pictish, but I don't have time to read something like that.

[Neophos]

IF you was a former Pika player, ****, even a former smasher, you should understand that Awdbawls reply wascrap, and jrtas was sarcasm.


its not true,

[alexfilcher]

i am a great pica player the best my moves can not even bestoped by the strongest char
i can on thes boards to see if anyone can stand up to me or better yet beat me and teach me some new trix

but what do i find just a whole lot of people talking **** about **** they dont know what a waste of time

this does not apply to all

p freack your the man i'd like to fight you sometime
its kinda funny but the best char to fight a picachu is a picachu
hope to c you around

the rest of you try to get a life it hurts reading what you say
i can feel my brain cells dieing

[MR. P.A. Awdbawl]

In any case, is there anything else that could give Pika an advantage?

Asking again,

MR. P.A. Awdbawl