Luigi advanced strategies

[PimpUigi]

Hi, I'm a Luigi player, and I'll be in a tournament in the next couple months, and I was wondering if anyone here could be kind enough to give me some good Luigi strategies.

Also, aside from general strategy, could you please give me some strategy for vs. Fox? At this tournament I have no doubt for every non Fox player, there will be three Fox players.

Thanks in advance.

[reffie2]

I think this topic belongs to the 'Melee Discussion' forum. If you whant good tips for luigi and fox, you should search the forum for 'guides'. You can type 'Luigi guides' in the search bar and you will find some guides.

[kingluigi]

i have the best luigi in kentucky {which isnt saying much}, but if ud like some tips on wavedashing, shorthoping, lcanceling or any of that stuff, just give me an email at y2k4kodey12@aol.com

[Dew Da Dash]

I dont really got much to say to this thread but im best luigi in Florida.

[Dew Da Dash]

o ya is ne 1 up for ne luigi dittos. almost no 1 is a luigi player. Would be fun. Possibly this could be done at EOL. * the biggest tourney in FL*

[RyokoYaksa]

Please edit your posts if your post is still the last in the topic but wish to alter them.

As for Luigi, he should try to get the most of his aerial attacks. Three are absurdly strong. You can sex kick out of most any combos, which is common Luigi knowledge. You will however, fall terrible victim to slob picks if someone plays a really good Zelda...

[Werewolf]

Utilize his wavedahs, its like the best in the game. All his moves can pretty much kill. Use his sex kick a lot, it owns. Use his fair a lot it own. Also, dont misfire off the edge and kill urself, that would suck greatly. Luigi's Down smash is also good, it has mad priority. Pretty much, i would utilize his WD, as u can move around quickly q/ it and combo w/ it.

[Dew Da Dash]

ya same wat dey said. but wit luigi i like to wd to an up b dat way i can kill at like 70%. Or jus dodge dan up b.

[Dapenda]

dont be afraid to forcefully air karate chop or air down+A Fox out of his firefox. Jump, short jump or run off the stage (or WD) to smack him out while he's firing up his firefox can give u quick kill and even better if u memorize the timing of the firefox, run off the stage n hit him out when he's aiming for the ledge

[reffie2]

Originally posted by RyokoYaksa
Please edit your posts if your post is still the last in the topic but wish to alter them.

As for Luigi, he should try to get the most of his aerial attacks. Three are absurdly strong. You can sex kick out of most any combos, which is common Luigi knowledge. You will however, fall terrible victim to slob picks if someone plays a really good Zelda...

Wat are you talking about? You can't beat a good Zelda? There is a move called: 'sidestep'. Use it to dodge the lightning kicks of Zelda than attack with downsmash or any other fast attack.

It's not smart to short jump and aerial attack all the time. Use downsmash or grab and up throw. A good Luigi stage is Yoshi's Island. You haven't trouble with recovery and you can use much air attacks in a usefull way.

Wavedashing isn't required. It's usefull in some situations but isn't required to win.

[Qwester]

I'm not one to talk about not wavedashing with Luigi, as I WD all the time with him. But it is possible to play a good Luigi without wavedashing. Reffie Beat The_Doug's Luigi without using WD, quite impressive to watch. I also think it's more of a mindgame as you would expect WDing, it can throw your strats right off.

As for Zelda, her aerials are fairly predictable and Luigi has a good enough dodge and shieldgrab. Luigi beats Zelda in priority excluding the front and back aerial, which as mentioned before, can be dodged.

[g-regulate]

not that this is real "advanced", but pick your spots to rock the up-b from a wavedash. some popular spots include, just after...
fox/falco up-b/side-b
pika up-b/side-b/down-b
marth/roy up-b/failed counters
CF up-b, (most attacks kinda laggy)
samus up-b (floats like a baloon, get a combo in and avoid sex kick)

just to name a few......

[reffie2]

Originally posted by g-regulate
not that this is real "advanced", but pick your spots to rock the up-b from a wavedash. some popular spots include, just after...
fox/falco up-b/side-b
pika up-b/side-b/down-b
marth/roy up-b/failed counters
CF up-b, (most attacks kinda laggy)
samus up-b (floats like a baloon, get a combo in and avoid sex kick)

just to name a few......

What are you talking about?

I don't recommend to use the wavedash/b-up move. What you can do is shortjump and aerial forward. It's a good move and fast to.

When fighting against fox/falco.
Use a lot of b-down and spin over the stage. When fox/falco haves less damage, this move can combo them. So, b-down, spin to fox/falco, when hit: keep spinning till it stops, then downsmash. When blocked(with shield or something): spin away. Use this move from a short distance otherwise your opponent can attack you because of the lag.

When you grab him, throw up and upsmash or throw up, jump, aerial forward/neutral/down. Or throw down and downsmash when he haves less damage.

When edge-guarding. If fox/falco uses his b-up to recover you can do 2 things. When he's below the stage use shortjump, aerial-down to kill him or tilt-down to irritate him. When he's in front of you he can go straight towards you or fly over you. When you think/know he's going straight towards you use grab or forwardsmash or short jump and aerial down. When you think/know he's going to fly over you use high jump and aerial down/forward/neutral.

[g-regulate]

Originally posted by reffie2
I don't recommend to use the wavedash/b-up move. What you can do is shortjump and aerial forward. It's a good move and fast to.

well, you see buddy, the up-b is just a little, teeny tiny bit stronger than the f-air. strong enough maybe to, oh i dont know, KO people at lower percentages? im not saying depend on the up-b to survive, but its a strong ****ing attack, and should be used when it CAN be done easily, like the list i put up

[reffie2]

The WD/b-up move is hard to aim. You can get ehm, i don't know, KO'D at lower percentages? It's better to combo him to more damage than use a low priority move to hopefully kill him at low percentages.

[Dew Da Dash]

well if dats too hard to aim fo u den jus dodge to an up-b. If dats too hard den u aint much of a luigi player.

[g-regulate]

or even better, how about i just punch the entire match? and not jump either? all the other attacks are too risky, ill just do the attacks that are easiest to hit, just build them up slow.

im not gonna settle for combos if i have an up-b oppotunity. but, my opinion, just my opinion.

[The_Doug]

Reffie would own you lol.

A missed up-B means you're gonna eat something real nasty from most characters, so save it for huge openings, which you'll not likely see in advanced play to begin with.

Hmm... advanced Luigi strategy. I don't consider myself a Luigi expert but I consider myself very good with him. Here's a bread and butter combo to a fast faller or middle weight at mid-percents. Try up-tilt to up-air to f-air. If they DI backwards, end with a b-air.

Believe it or not Luigi is a combo machine and puts most characters to shame. Most of his stuff works on the fast fallers, but lots of 2-3 hit combos work on all chars. Once you get an initial hit in, always be ready to jump and go for a second because most of Luigi's attacks hit up-wards.

[reffie2]

To g-regulate and Dew da dash, You just don't get it. Only the wd/b-up move is risky. All the other moves aren't. My luigi has beaten some of the best players in my country so I know what I'm talking about. Even punching is risky somethimes. Your opponent can counter it with lots of c-sticking. Have you ever won/lose a very important match because of WD/b-up? All I'm saying is that WD/b-up can be countered to easy. It's not worth it.

[ivootjes(nr18)]

Well, could someone give a link to some good luigi vids? I think he can learn some more about luigi then.
and about that up-b: u can use it at corneria, use the edge :)

[Qwester]

Teh punch crews site. (http://www.angelfire.com/games5/ssbm)
Most vids can be found on the DC++ hub, check it out. There's a connect guide on my site (link in sig)

[stilettotrap]

Originally posted by reffie2
Wat are you talking about? You can't beat a good Zelda? There is a move called: 'sidestep'. Use it to dodge the lightning kicks of Zelda than attack with downsmash or any other fast attack.

"Sidestep." Yeah, anyhow. Considering that Zelda can perform *two* lightning kicks per short hop, sidestepping the first probably amounts to eating the second. Sounds great. Zelda's horizontal aerial game completely destroys Luigi's; both of them are slow as molasses in the air, but in this case, Zelda has greater range, priority, and attack speed. Luigi's wavedashing game also won't really help against good defensive players. Wavedashing in is awfully predictable; yes, it's fast, but several visual and verbal cues right near the beginning will give the opponent plenty of time to react. Luigi doesn't have the luxury of a quick escape after wding in should he choose to change his mind, so he has to get it right the first time or screw himself over. Unless Zelda is busy with something else, she should have more than enough time to deal with an incoming wd assault. How? It's not hard. A well-spaced dash attack can stop Luigi halfway through the wd. Nayru's Love can keep him out of attack range; he's forced to put up his shield or take the hits, and by the time Nayru is done, the confrontation has been reset. Zelda also has the option of short hopping backwards into double death kicks. Even blocked or non-sweetspotted death kicks can lead into all sorts of fun things. Yeah, if "sidestep" is the best advice you can give...

[Qwester]

Luigi can get the downsmash out as soon as the dodge is over, and that's before the second aerial from zelda. As for priority, Luigi wins with every aerial apart from f and b-air. Luigi has an aerial for every situation. Zelda is forced to make luigi fit into her plans, whilst Luigi can let the match flow more. Also, there's not much Zelda can do against a camping Luigi.

[stilettotrap]

You have a point, but as for the sidestepping issue, Zelda can also make sure to maneuver backwards outside the dsmash's range for the second lightning kick by utilizing both sticks. Sidestepping is far from the best option. I was trying to prove a point and got carried away, I guess >_> Meh.

[reffie2]

About short jumping with zelda, you said that zelda can do 2 lightning kicks? If luigi throws one single fireball, zelda's lightning kick stops. Zelda will try to high jump and than attack with lightning kicks to avoid the fireballs. Luigi will high jump to and uses aerial forward that move is faster and haves more priority.

[Umbreon]

I'm the best Luigi in Pennsylvania :retard:

lol umm WD to fire punch = super risky. WD, hop to chop isn't the best either. Best thing to do is WD, hop, dair and then nair just before landing. Or just nair. Point is to land during a sex kick to send them up to uptilt. Sex kick to grab works beautifully as far as getting around defenses.

Luigi is not a camper, and Zelda has plenty of ways to mess Luigi up. Don't disreguard her.

[yoshmaster5]

I'm new here, but I think I have an idea for dodging Zelda's LK's.

You dodge backward, she jumps again for 2 kicks, you jump over, she comes after, you either chop her or MS her.

[Linkzrath]

Only one thing to say: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaav vvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedaaaaaaaaaaaaasshhhhhhhh. Must I put any more emphasis on it? Oh the things Luigi can do with those slippery shoes of his...the edgehogging, the wavepoking (what I call wavedash + f-smash for Luigi)

[RyokoYaksa]

Originally posted by reffie2
Wat are you talking about? You can't beat a good Zelda? There is a move called: 'sidestep'. Use it to dodge the lightning kicks of Zelda than attack with downsmash or any other fast attack.

Um, actually Zelda is my Luigi counter. :/

A lot of her moves can shut down a Luigi, from my experience. There are a few match ups where Zelda undoubtedly has the upper hand, and vs. Luigi is one of them. Zelda works well for damage, and Sheik for KOs against a Luigi.

[reffie2]

To linkratzh, I never wavedash with luigi and I can still win without losing a stock on tournaments. How do you explain that? And please, do not give comment like: 'Because you sucks' or 'Because your opponents suck'.

To RyokoYaksa, you think Zelda is a Luigi counter because your opponents can get used to Zelda or they have terrible mindgames.

[stilettotrap]

Originally posted by reffie2
About short jumping with zelda, you said that zelda can do 2 lightning kicks? If luigi throws one single fireball, zelda's lightning kick stops. Zelda will try to high jump and than attack with lightning kicks to avoid the fireballs. Luigi will high jump to and uses aerial forward that move is faster and haves more priority. Are you comparing Luigi's forward aerial to the death kicks or Zelda's other aerials? The death kicks seem like the only things that apply, so I'll just assume that's what you're talking about. Faster? No, not really. Priority? Death kick sweetspot > Luigi's fair > death kick non-sweetspot. One should also consider that on an overall basis, Zelda's aerial movement speed is greater than Luigi's.

Regarding the fireball: Why would Luigi be using one when Zelda is in death kick range? It'd have to be thrown at longer ranges if you don't want to risk being hit, and in any case, it's not that big of a deal. If the fireball went into Zelda's path while she's short hopping, she still has her double jump, an air-dodge, nair, and in some cases Nayru to get around it. If I remember correctly, the non-sweetspot of fair is also capable of outprioritizing Luigi's fireball. A fireball will rarely force Zelda above you.

[Red Dragon]

Zelda won't use the death kick all the way from hells *** if she plans to hit Luigi, so why would Luigi's fireball stop it?, unless you mean by wavedashing back and then using the fireball. But to use the fireball in purpose of stopping the death kick is a waste.

[RyokoYaksa]

Why would you want to stop Zelda's sparkly kick with a fireball? Even if she does take the hit, chances are she'll recover from the lag before Luigi does, amounting to another sparkly kick attempt. The only situation this would be helpful is in point-blank range, but you wouldn't use a fireball then, and Zelda wouldn't try sparkly kick, either.

In general, Zelda's ground game can get around Luigi's WD game and much of his ground attacks. In the air, Zelda's DJ-sparkly kick leaves Luigi at a serious disadvantage getting his air attack off. Jumping out then jumping in with a kick is deadly to Luigi. From below in the air, Luigi doesn't have anything that can put Zelda in extreme danger that a n-air or Up+B won't handle. From above, he's easy prey for Zelda's u-air since their fall speeds are similar and her u-air easily outranges his d-air... From all my experiences, a well-played Zelda/Sheik game > Luigi.

[g-regulate]

sparkly kick? magic toe? is there a real name for that attack? i call it the biatch dropkick

[reffie2]

You're saying that a good zelda player can beat a luigi player. That's not a good argument. A good luigi player can beat a zelda player aswell.

About the fireballs. The fireballs must be used when zelda is short jumping, only use it from a long distance. Most zelda players will stop and use shield or that blue b attack for protection. When zelda uses her blue b attack, luigi can jump and use his down aerial to attack her.

You're also forgetting luigi's tornado attack(b-down). His b-down can quickly attack zelda before she can use her lightning kicks. How would you counter luigi's b-down? If you wait and try to use a lightning kick when luigi comes at you, luigi can stop his tornado at any time. So he haves two choices: 'go or leave' not both. If he go's you must have really good mind-games when and where luigi is going to use his b-down. Luigi can't stay when using b-down or he will get kicked by zelda. So he have to go straight at you or go the other way if possible.

It's all a mather of who get's the first kill in a stock match. The zelda player must attack luigi quickly and luigi have to hold distance and attack with fireballs. All zelda's b-attacks can't usefully counter his fireballs. Lightning kicking the fireballs isn't smart either. I think on a small stage, zelda will win and on a big stage luigi will win.

Luigi can also hope for a succesfull missfire.

[RyokoYaksa]

Originally posted by reffie2
You're saying that a good zelda player can beat a luigi player. That's not a good argument. A good luigi player can beat a zelda player aswell.
*takes a giant frying pan and smacks reffie2 over the head*

The previous action would be oops, not condusive of a good argument.

About the fireballs. The fireballs must be used when zelda is short jumping, only use it from a long distance. Most zelda players will stop and use shield or that blue b attack for protection. When zelda uses her blue b attack, luigi can jump and use his down aerial to attack her.
Triangle jumping or SHFF to an offense is better to avoid fireballs. The lag from the fireball isn't exactly quick, so this gets past it quite safely.

You're also forgetting luigi's tornado attack(b-down). His b-down can quickly attack zelda before she can use her lightning kicks. How would you counter luigi's b-down? If you wait and try to use a lightning kick when luigi comes at you, luigi can stop his tornado at any time. So he haves two choices: 'go or leave' not both. If he go's you must have really good mind-games when and where luigi is going to use his b-down. Luigi can't stay when using b-down or he will get kicked by zelda. So he have to go straight at you or go the other way if possible.
Pardon? Luigi's Down+B is one of the most easily punishable moves in the game. Unlike the Mario's, Luigi's Up+B only hits a target once. Anyone can just shield it and proceed to chase Luigi down. Zelda has little slide-stun, so she can just WD or roll on over it Luigi's direction after she takes the hit. Even if he doesn't hit her, Zelda can still WD or roll on over to get in Luigi's face after the possibility of getting hit has passed.

It's all a mather of who get's the first kill in a stock match. The zelda player must attack luigi quickly and luigi have to hold distance and attack with fireballs. All zelda's b-attacks can't usefully counter his fireballs. Lightning kicking the fireballs isn't smart either. I think on a small stage, zelda will win and on a big stage luigi will win.
Luigi's fireballs are nothing in comparison to Samus's and Falco's projectile spamming. It's fairly easy to triangle jump/SHFF them at long range or take advantage of a platform to get closer, or just avoid them all from a distance or shield them. In close, they can be reflected. Neither are ranged fighters... they're not going to hit each other unless Zelda transforms into Sheik. Speaking of whom, once Luigi is at a % where he can't sex kick Sheik out of every combo attempt, a transform would probably be a good option to take. Sheik completely destroys Luigi's fireball game.

Luigi can also hope for a succesfull missfire. [/B]
If you're going to attack a stunned Zelda, it wouldn't be with over+B. In other cases, Luigi can expect a lightning kick to the noggin.

How many good Zelda/Sheik players have you fought with Luigi...? Zelda has an advantage, not a win. Luigi can't beat out Zelda the way Peach can't beat out Marth or Ganondorf... it's not hopeless, but he's going to have a really hard time.

[reffie2]

I think this discussion isn't going to stop. Allright, I admit. Zelda have more advantages than luigi when fighting each other.

*takes a giant frying pan and smacks reffie2 over the head*

Sorry, I have to read better from now on.

[mikey32]

reffie don't give up your arguement so easy... I personally think that luigi owns zelda but shiek gives him a lil trouble... Just keep talking about this stupid sh1t and they will eventually get it through there heads

*takes a giant frying pan and smacks reffie2 over the head*

That was just a retarded thing to say reffie has won more tourneys then u have:crazy:

[PimpUigi]

I got Zelda game down, don't worry aout that. Sheik does give me some worries though.
So, like someone said in a previous post, does anyone have links to some good Luigi videos?

And to the best Luigi player in Pennsylvania, do you live near Philadelphia? Perhaps you could show me some stuff.

[stilettotrap]

Hmm. I'd say Luigi is one of the better (best goes to Fox, IMO) characters against Sheik, though he's not at an advantage. Chain throws don't work, and Luigi can get out of the tilt combos pretty easily. Juggles aren't half as effective, and brutal edgeguarding tactics go both ways. Neither character can really do a whole lot to the other, so it just comes down to which player is more patient and crap. Meh.