Toon Link vs Olimar and Metaknight

[Toobz]

These two match ups are very difficult for me. Olimar just keeps spamming pikmin and smash attacks, with grabs. It seems unbeatable. My arrows/bombs/boomerang get destroyed by how fast he can throw pikmin out, and when ever i get close to attack i get stuck with a pikmin and shield grabbed. Against Metaknight, I get grabbed a ton, and outprioritized in the air all the time. I can't range spam meta effectively either, because he is very quick and has a fast dodge. I need some help getting good with Toon link!

Thanks, yo.

[Scrubs]

Olimar isn't that bad a match up for TL.

Get above his Pikimin and approach using back air
Land behind him so you don't get grabbed
All of your projectiles have more range than his pikmin so give yourself some room and spam, make him come to you

Metaknight i don't find so tough. Just spam. Try and kill him off the top with Uair or Usmash

[Toobz]

OK I'll give it a shot. What is a good defense against metaknight's running grab?

[Moochero]

If you see metaknight dashing twoards then I would just sidestep as soon as he gets in range, or you could just grab him while he's dashing considering Toon Link's grab is longer. My brother plays olimar and I've had the same trouble as you, but it's getting better. As scrubs said, being above olimar is good.

[nopants]

If you see metaknight dashing twoards then I would just sidestep as soon as he gets in range, or you could just grab him while he's dashing considering Toon Link's grab is longer. My brother plays olimar and I've had the same trouble as you, but it's getting better. As scrubs said, being above olimar is good.

Incorrect, being above Olimar is one of the worst places to be. His Uair and Usmash will tear you apart if you don't have a bomb in your hand.

What scrubs was saying was that you should approach by dropping a biar into Olimar. If you space it correctly, the bottom of the bair will be able to hit any pikmin that Olimar is trying to use, and then the bair will continue forward to hit Olimar.

Your advantage over Olimar is your recovery, you can recover from just about anything, but he has to really struggle to get back to the stage. If Olimar is at stage level after he double jumps, it's a free edgehog. He cannot recover if you're holding the edge. If he recovers from high up, give him a Uair, Olimar hates that.

[Moochero]

Incorrect, being above Olimar is one of the worst places to be. His Uair and Usmash will tear you apart if you don't have a bomb in your hand.

What scrubs was saying was that you should approach by dropping a biar into Olimar. If you space it correctly, the bottom of the bair will be able to hit any pikmin that Olimar is trying to use, and then the bair will continue forward to hit Olimar.

Your advantage over Olimar is your recovery, you can recover from just about anything, but he has to really struggle to get back to the stage. If Olimar is at stage level after he double jumps, it's a free edgehog. He cannot recover if you're holding the edge. If he recovers from high up, give him a Uair, Olimar hates that.

yup, you are correct. I was wrong to say being above olimar is good, but rather when you use your projectiles (boomerang especially) you might want jump and arc them over his pikmin so you actually make contact with olimar and not his wall of pikmin.

[Scrubs]

Yeah I didn't mean directly above him...

Just don't approach from directly in front of him other wise you will cop a face full of Pikmin.

Your projectiles out range his. So use them effectively.

[dmbrandon]

OK I'll give it a shot. What is a good defense against metaknight's running grab?

Spot dodges and SH projectiles. Keep Meta scared to projs, then just wait for him to open himself up. He will, trust me.

Yeah I didn't mean directly above him...

Just don't approach from directly in front of him other wise you will cop a face full of Pikmin.

Your projectiles out range his. So use them effectively.

Try using the hookshot to bomb-o combo. It RAPES oli.