Will Fox's "Nerf-age" be as noticable for "amateurs"?

[oodnetnin]

I know that nearly all of Fox's best combos in SSBM involve Advanced Techniques, but will someone who doesn't use AT's notice that much of a difference in Fox's performance?

[oodnetnin]

Sorry, I didn't clarify. I'm specifically referring to the AT's that were removed from SSBB.

[Ebonyks]

You're basing this on the assumption that new advanced techniques won't be discovered for fox.

Regardless, the casual scene will still feel some of his nerfs, particularly in the weakening of his up smash and up air.

[oodnetnin]

You're basing this on the assumption that new advanced techniques won't be discovered for fox.
Actually, no I wasn't. I guess I should have clarified even more...

Regardless, the casual scene will still feel some of his nerfs, particularly in the weakening of his up smash and up air.
That's what I gathered. The most often cited examples of Fox's downgrading have been his up smash and air, and the shine spike. The problem is that people say he's nerfed, they just don't say how much. Are his up smash and up air still considerably powerful? Or has Fox gone from quick and powerful, to quick and weak?

[spacemanspiff]

actually no clarification was needed. he made that comment assuming thats what you meant when you made no such statement lol
personally i dont think they'll feel a big difference. still the same fox as before really. they'll just begin to notice that they wont get as many easy up kick kos as they used to and more side kick

[controlfreak7]

Funny that that one of the moves that didn't get nerfed for fox is considered nerfed. Upsmash should really only be considered nerfed because of the new addition of diminishing attacks. It actually really did not get that nerfed and i believe hyphen smashing, which is the term for running into a smash (correct me if I'm wrong), makes it better if diminishing attacks nerfs it.

Also i wouldn't say that upair is nerfed much (maybe somewhat), but its really how u choose to use it. If you use it to combo you can't use it to kill at lower percents. If you do want to use it for killing at lower percents then don't use it for combos.

I think someone new to the game will only notice the nerf of "speed" (quoted because fox himself didn't slow down much just the overall gameplay did). That is assuming they don't know what shinespiking is (cause i'm not sure if shinespiking is advanced). They'll notice a difference between brawl in melee in this case as well.

Edit: now that i think about it this really depends on what you consider or is considered advanced.

[CurryLad]

amateurs probably wouldnt notice the difference if they didnt use wavedashing in melee

[spacemanspiff]

amateurs probably wouldnt notice the difference if they didnt use wavedashing in melee

but wavedashing is a universal 'nerf' and therefore isnt really related to this thread. were talking about nerfs on fox' moves. no the game itself

[Kyldare]

Wavedashing is probably the biggest loss, but you cant miss what you never used.

[Darkslash]

Well Seeing the only time i Played Melee was before WD was discovered and I only used PikaChu.....

but in Classic if I can beat him Easy with Mario then thats a huge Nerf D:

[goldemblem]

I never used advanced tech against the people i played, because it was only a casual group, i know how to wavedash, shffl and other tricks fox had in melee, but i never used them i only used L-canceling, and from what i have watched, i think Amateurs or Casuals will notice the difference, mainly on his aerials, his Bair and Uair will feel nerfed and his Fair will feel buffed, and form what i have noticed i thing firefox its also a little slower (but it might just be me) I think everyone will feel a huge difference between games

[Skater Trainer]

Since I'm new to SSB I can say from experience, or lack there of, if someone never used the advanced moves, they won't know. Unless you study up and learned and watched melee stuff, like I have, you won't even know. But fox is going to have to get some new combos now so he doesn't fall behind.

[CurryLad]

but wavedashing is a universal 'nerf' and therefore isnt really related to this thread. were talking about nerfs on fox' moves. no the game itself

The topic was ATs that were removed from the game. Wavedashing was a big part of fox's games with his shines,( waveshines, drillshine combos, etc) so it is related to this thread. :mad:

[TehBo49]

The only thing they'll probably notice is his u-smash & u-air. But since alot of attacks were reduced in power, they might not even notice that.

[SothE700k]

Despite Fox's loss of his power, he can still snap a lot of combos together. He still looks on the top of his game to be honest.