Disappointed with Falcon

[SGX]

I've been playing Brawl for close to a week now daily, and as great as Brawl is and everything, I'm seriously upset at what has happened to Falcon.

He didn't get a whole lot of character specific nerfs (except for the knee) but all the changes to the game engine REALLY hurt him.

- sh nair goes over MANY characters heads
- dthrow bounces enemies way too high
- floatiness reduces need for ground teching. His tech chasing stomp game is gone.
- Stomp seems to come out slower. (Possibly smaller hitbox?)
- Lack of Dash dancing kills his mobility and makes spacing more difficult

I mean, he really doesn't have much anymore. I don't see him being able to keep up with the likes of T. Link, Pit, and Marth once people start getting good at Brawl.

It is a very sad day for Falcon. Let's hope Nintendo isn't opposed to the idea of balance patches in the future.

[gringo66]

Really? thats a bit dissappointing. i really want to play falcon. this will not discourage me and i hope what ur saying is a lie. lol. i dunno. i dont think he'll be that bad. but we'll see.

[SGX]

No, everything which I've said is true.

[VersatileBJN]

sad day across the world

[Rang Flash]

I know it sucks that his melee combos were nerfed, but we need to look at this as a new game and a new falcon. He probably has plenty of combos that we haven't figured out yet.

[Luigi Ka-master]

T___T

Poor guy. Pretty sure Falcon deserves to keep his rape combos. This is dumb T_t.

[JJJ.Brawler]

Why?! Falcon is awesome. Oh well, I'm still using him.

[W.Jr]

i like falcon on brawl, though im also dissappointed on the changes he has.

[SGX]

well, his Up B can kill, which is kinda cool, but...eh, I dunno.

[crosser43]

nop this is wrong, u say hes more floaty, which characters havent gone more floaty?
who needs stomp when u have the knee?
his special b moves are useful now too, raptor boost can recover and start combos easier now with less vuneralbility, his up b goes higher and can dive edge hoggers. He's lost a little speed, but comon, he's still great.
he still has "show me your moves taunt"
not dissapointing at all if you ask me

[ZorakBane]

nope, first impressions, i confirm this..
we'll see in due time though

[Miller]

His best combo now is Dair --> Knee

BTW Dair doesnt even spike anymore, i tried to once and it just sent them up :(

[SynikaL]

Yeah, Falcon has almost nothing going for him in Brawl at that this point. This game is just so silly. He went from arguably one of the most exciting characters in Melee to having one of the most useless movesets in fighting game history in Brawl -- like Sakurai forgot about him until the last minute and felt he absolutely needed to be in the roster.


-Kimosabae

[dori.]

- sh nair goes over MANY characters heads
- dthrow bounces enemies way too high
- floatiness reduces need for ground teching. His tech chasing stomp game is gone.
- Stomp seems to come out slower. (Possibly smaller hitbox?)
- Lack of Dash dancing kills his mobility and makes spacing more difficult


-you have to fastfall the sh neutral air to get it to hit
-dthrow can be followed with the flip kick consistently
you other points are pretty much spot on, HOWEVER, falcon players have to adjust to the new brawl mechanics; trying to play him like in melee wont work.

His best combo now is Dair --> Knee

BTW Dair doesnt even spike anymore, i tried to once and it just sent them up :(
the stomp absolutely spikes still, you have to hit with his feet, otherwise they get sent horizontally

best combo is dthrow -> any aerial except for knee (and only because it's difficult to sweetspot a SH knee in brawl). or possibly dthrow to running upsmash

Yeah, Falcon has almost nothing going for him in Brawl at that this point. This game is just so silly. He went from arguably one of the most exciting characters in Melee to having one of the most useless movesets in fighting game history in Brawl -- like Sakurai forgot about him until the last minute and felt he absolutely needed to be in the roster.


-Kimosabae

****, you just don't like brawl do you.

[dori.]

PS: his newfound floatiness allows him to mindgame with aerials really well

[HeroADV]

As a consistant Brawl player of falcon and the old school melee falcon. i can say only one thing

HE IS FREAKING AWESOME. He shines like he does in the old SSB days of the 64 which most of you dam kids today forgot.
The Charater floatyness makes it easier to spike with his Dair and his Knee is harder to sweetspot but it doenst matter because his Uair is back in style like Freaking Butter on Corn. You forget how good it is untill it is used again and then BOOM. Next thing you know it is a move that makes its way back into your hearts. The Knee is a finisher like it should be now and the rest of falcons skill shines.

He is overall Better then he was in melee. the only gripe i have is that he cant wavedash. but thats ok
because like a real gamer i compesate for it and


PLAY ON!!!

[Smashbros_7]

You can dash dance.

[MewDorf]

yah I believe that is up b has more range or at least the floatiness seems to make it look that way. He is still vulnerable to edge hogging though.
With that aside i will play him because I mean come on hes falcon.

[BentoBox]

And yet another "I've tried playing like Melee and it didn't yield any decent results !1!" ?

Sigh.

[ZeronX]

despite the changes... he's still captain falcon
so i'm definitely still going to play him as as one of my mains
just going to have to adjust to some changes that's all :P

[Gustav Wind]

As a consistant Brawl player of falcon and the old school melee falcon. i can say only one thing

HE IS FREAKING AWESOME. He shines like he does in the old SSB days of the 64 which most of you dam kids today forgot.
The Charater floatyness makes it easier to spike with his Dair and his Knee is harder to sweetspot but it doenst matter because his Uair is back in style like Freaking Butter on Corn. You forget how good it is untill it is used again and then BOOM. Next thing you know it is a move that makes its way back into your hearts. The Knee is a finisher like it should be now and the rest of falcons skill shines.

He is overall Better then he was in melee. the only gripe i have is that he cant wavedash. but thats ok
because like a real gamer i compesate for it and


PLAY ON!!!

What the hell are you talking about.

His uair in ssb64 was near broken.
His uair in melee was sexy for combos.
His uair in brawl doesn't ko or combo.

I know you guys don't want to dismiss him as garbage yet, "because the game has just come out", but how can people discover new combos when literally all of his moves lack the hitstun to connect with any other move?

[MewDorf]

We will find a way. We must, for he is falcon, lord of showing your moves.

[gamer8]

I've been playing Brawl for close to a week now daily, and as great as Brawl is and everything, I'm seriously upset at what has happened to Falcon.

He didn't get a whole lot of character specific nerfs (except for the knee) but all the changes to the game engine REALLY hurt him.

- sh nair goes over MANY characters heads
- dthrow bounces enemies way too high
- floatiness reduces need for ground teching. His tech chasing stomp game is gone.
- Stomp seems to come out slower. (Possibly smaller hitbox?)
- Lack of Dash dancing kills his mobility and makes spacing more difficult

I mean, he really doesn't have much anymore. I don't see him being able to keep up with the likes of T. Link, Pit, and Marth once people start getting good at Brawl.

It is a very sad day for Falcon. Let's hope Nintendo isn't opposed to the idea of balance patches in the future.

You forgot:

- The knee is incredibly hard to hit now.


Jesus, of all the characters to nerf, it just HAD to be Captain Falcon, why Sakurai? WHY?!?!? Sakurai has lost all the remaining respect I had for him.

[peachori]

as long as we can get isai to play cf in brawl for like a week we shouldnt really have any problem, right?

[dori.]

What the hell are you talking about.

His uair in ssb64 was near broken.
His uair in melee was sexy for combos.
His uair in brawl doesn't ko or combo.

I know you guys don't want to dismiss him as garbage yet, "because the game has just come out", but how can people discover new combos when literally all of his moves lack the hitstun to connect with any other move?

dthrow -> uair says hi

and uh, the whole game is like that

[S2]

Yeah, I don't know how good Falcon will end up being...

but everytime I play him I get dissapointed.

Falcon as a character should be fast and graceful... in Brawl he's slow and floaty. It goes against his character.

[MewDorf]

Gabe will be so disappointed. Falcon must live on.

[rm88]

Jesus, of all the characters to nerf, it just HAD to be Captain Falcon, why Sakurai? WHY?!?!? Sakurai has lost all the remaining respect I had for him.

Yeah, I've read the same about Fox, Mario, Sheik, DK, Yoshi, Falco, Ganondorf, Jigglypuf... I don't think he got as nerfed as Peach >_<

[SynikaL]

Yeah, I've read the same about Fox, Mario, Sheik, DK, Yoshi, Falco, Ganondorf, Jigglypuf... I don't think he got as nerfed as Peach >_<

Not sure if that's a joke or not, but Peach is still d@mned good.


-Kimosabae

[rm88]

I hope you are right, I haven't played Brawl ~_~

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=144164

Let's not be pessimistic, all we have to do is adapt to the new movesets ^_^ I'm sure CF is still a good character.

[W.Jr]

i hope as the people find new stuff captain falcon improves.