how could he NOT be a clone?

[DQP]

i've seen a lot of suggestions saying that toon link shouldn't be a clone. let me ask you then, how can he not be a clone? in my opinion, he has to be a clone. or does he? what do you guys have to say about this?

[Dark Nemesis]

Faster. Stronger. Cooler.
Same moveset, but I don't care. In my eyes, Realistic Link is the real clone :P

[Sailyfee]

Toon Link is clone. I mean, look at his FS. It's a freaking landmaster

In my opinion, he is a clone. Why should that matter though? Sakurai clearly wants people to make more choices. Why have 1 character with a unique move set when you can have 2 with the same move set, but with different standards? It adds more depth into the game if you ask me. Clones had to be in brawl. It's like Ken & Ryu and street fighter.

But in all honesty, I do wish he wasn't a clone. Oh yeah and. . .

Faster. Stronger. Cooler.
Same moveset, but I don't care. In my eyes, Realistic Link is the real clone :P

[Dark Nemesis]

Well, he's proven to be stronger (and better knockback, but with less range), especially his FS.

[Bassoonist]

Why does he have to be a clone? There are so many different weapons that could have been used to make him not a clone. It's a huge disappointment.

[PanamaConMan]

See what you WW Link fans get, you wish really hard for him and you get him but he opened the doorway to freaking clones in brawl which is what alot of people didn't want. There is no way for him to have a unique moveset from Link without it being completely irreverant to his game.

[Senshuu]

Like someone said somewhere, he could have used the Deku leaf as a recover. And more! I don't really mind, though. Clones don't bother me so much when they at least look distinct from each other... and he does whip out the Wind Waker at some point.

Beautiful character design, beautiful stage attributed to him.

[Moon Monkey]

I am on the same boat with Sailyfee

[Rhubarbo]

What, have you not played Wind Waker or Phantom Hourglass? Toon Link has a large array of different weapons in his moveset. Here are a few:

Deku Leaf
Wind Waker
Phantom Hourglass
Hurricane Spin
Bombchu
Skull Hammer
Tingle Tuner
Fire Sword Beam
Grappling Hook
and there are more.

I'm telling you, Brawl was rushed to come out. They started the Dojo way too early and built too much hype. Right now I would have been prepared to wait a whole other year for us not to get clones and just a few more characters. Seriously, I imagine Toon Link using the Deku Leak in my mind and I cry...I think I shed a tear when I saw a picture of him using a bow!

Are you trolling?

[captainfalconmute]

he didnt have to be a clone, but for some strange reason sakurai got lazy and just stuck him in as one. he could (and should) have had a completely different moveset.

had he not been a clone i would perhaps be slightly happier with his inclusion, but nonetheless, clone or no clone...

he shouldnt be in brawl

[RegalBuster]

See what you WW Link fans get, you wish really hard for him and you get him but he opened the doorway to freaking clones in brawl which is what alot of people didn't want. There is no way for him to have a unique moveset from Link without it being completely irreverant to his game.

Your a retard aren't you?

[PanamaConMan]

Your a retard aren't you?

And how do you suppose that, my charming young fellow?
I suppose they could've added a deku leaf for recovery, but grappling hook? They may as well have added that I guess, but it would've worked just like the hookshot in the end.

[Brawl ON]

I makes no difference to me.

[hello_kitty]

Why does he have to be a clone? There are so many different weapons that could have been used to make him not a clone. It's a huge disappointment.

truth :mad:

[sv3]

Your a retard aren't you?

About half the people who have already posted in this thread are retards.

[ShiroiKen]

He is not a clone. If you played the game, then you must have noticed: All movesets differ in all characters.

Have you seen his aerials? His uSmash? The way all attacks are different from Link's? :/

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

He is not a clone. If you played the game, then you must have noticed: All movesets differ in all characters.

Have you seen his aerials? His uSmash? The way all attacks are different from Link's? :/

They're not ALL different, which I have personally covered in a previous post or thread, but even the moves that are the same work differently.

This is a fact we've all understood and we need to make sure everyone else knows it too.

[TidalSpiral]

As I said before, just cause a sword swipe from one makes them go a little upward and the other's makes them go farther sideways, it's still cloned. Most people recognize these extremely subtle differences - it's just not enough to make him impressive as a unique fighter, when he could have used all those bizarre Little Link weapons / objects. I still wouldn't have used him much that way but certainly a lot more than a clone.

However, the new characters I do see are all very awesome and that's going to get me through the dark and lonely nights.

[Narian]

Ryu, Ken and Akuma (and I guess Sean, Dan, and Sakura) would like to have a word with this thread.

[Kye L]

If Toon Link is a clone in Brawl, then Luigi was a clone in Melee.

[S2026]

Yeah. I'd have liked to seen him with at least a little difference to link. At least some different moves, I mean he is much smaller.

[Crazy Chaos]

I think Toon Link is supposed to be able to use bombchus and his final smash ends differently it hurts ppl around him but I hvnt seen much proof to confirm this though...:ohwell:

reallly we're just getting more LUigis, they're VERY simalir to a character but they work differetly and some of their moves r different

examples: Ness and Lucas Fox, Falco, and Wolf Mario and Luigi Toon Link and Link

[Niko90]

Now now children...:P

Falco : Fox :: Link : Toon Link

My opinion, which is why I'm being Toon Link. Speed ftw - I can't stand normal link because he's too slow, and I'm used to playing as Fox, so slow doesn't turn out well for me...

[L-ectrico]

Im glad toon link is a clone, I like those moves, and he looks cooler than Link.

[specialsauce]

well link will be link, wether hes mature and dark or a cel shaded child. hes basically the same. so its hard to make him not a clone.or close to a clone. sure he could have the deku leaf to recover but how much would that suck when ur below the stage.(unless u get a gust of wind to blow u upward) and that hat from that one game would be weird. i think he's exactly who he is ww llink! not phantom hourglass link or the bird hat link. he has the same moves he had in wind waker! making him true to character. plus hes fast and smaller and has other subtle diffrences to link. basiaclly hes a link alternative to people who want some one a bit faster and has diffrent looks. still hes awesome!

[PanamaConMan]

Yeah. I'd have liked to seen him with at least a little difference to link. At least some different moves, I mean he is much smaller.

I told you he was a clone but you just called me a retard:mad:
The only new item he could've really used thats way different from normal link is his deku leaf like everyone else said.
But bombchus?
NO!
Normal link had bombchus too so that would make no sense
And grappling hook doesn't count as a new item since it would work basically as a hook shot.
Another point I would like to make: Some have said that WW Link should use his windwaker for his moves but that would be stupid seeing as normal link could turn into a wolf or use his ocarina of time.

[susu_atari]

Toon Link could have easily been decloned, using his Deku Leaf and Skull Hammer, but after using him, I think I prefer him how he is. There's not really any specific need for him to have a different moveset.

Only problem is, no Lon Lon Milk taunt. They should have put it back in, but with a red potion instead.

[Scorchio17]

Neutral B: Skull Hammer. Toon Link slams a hammer down in front of him, dealing quite a bit of damage and knockback, but has alot of lag.

Up B: Deku leaf. When used on the ground, it is flapped forward, causing a gust of wind dealing no damage, but pushing the enemy. When used in the air, he holds it like a parachute and gets some height and glides to the ground.

Forward B: Hurrican Spin. Toon Link spins and moves slightly forward. Can press B to repeat the spin, can be used for recovery. After using it in the air, you are left helpless just as if you had Up B'd

Down B: Iron Boots. Toon Link hops up and lands with Iron Boots, causing damage to those near him. If used in the air, he falls quickly to the ground and deals damage as he falls, like Kirby's Down B or Dedede's Up B.

Final Smash: Phantom Hourglass. For five-ten seconds (the actual time would need to be tested for balance) Toon Link has free reign over the battle. Everyone else is completely frozen in time, as are items, projectiles, and even explosions. Toon Link is free to attack anyone he wants, their damage goes up, but they remain frozen in place. When the effect ends, the knockbacks of all of the attacks are added up (taking into account direction, so if Toon Link uses a fair on one side, then on the other, they just go up) and applied to their current damage, not what they were at when they took the hit.

There. A completely non-cloned, viable moveset that could have happened

[JawaJedi]

I'd prefer there to be no clones in the game, but there are, so... whatever. I think a good moveset for Toon Link would be:

B: Minish Cap. His hat turns into the bird thing and bites in front of him.
Side B: Skull Hammer. Can be charged
Down B: Bombchu. Places a bombchu on the ground but can't control it. It goes in a straight line until it hits someone and blows up, or falls off the stage.
Up B: Deku Leaf. Pulls out his Deku Leaf and catches a gust of wind propelling him upwards.
Grab: Grappling Hook
Final Smash: Four Swords. 3 other Toon Links in random colors come out and attack your opponents. They are all level 9 and on Toon Link's 'team' thus cannot damage him.

[DQP]

I'd prefer there to be no clones in the game, but there are, so... whatever. I think a good moveset for Toon Link would be:

B: Minish Cap. His hat turns into the bird thing and bites in front of him.
Side B: Skull Hammer. Can be charged
Down B: Bombchu. Places a bombchu on the ground but can't control it. It goes in a straight line until it hits someone and blows up, or falls off the stage.
Up B: Deku Leaf. Pulls out his Deku Leaf and catches a gust of wind propelling him upwards.
Grab: Grappling Hook
Final Smash: Four Swords. 3 other Toon Links in random colors come out and attack your opponents. They are all level 9 and on Toon Link's 'team' thus cannot damage him.

wow! i needed proof that toonlink could've not been a clone. that moveset wouldve been awesome.

[R.Y.N.O]

1. He is not a clone
2. That is a sweet moveset made by Jawa

[susu_atari]

I LOVE JawaJedi's moveset, especially the Final Smash... taking moves from different 'Toon' Zelda games. Genius.

Not too keen on the Neutral B move, though. Minish Cap should be a taunt.

If it were upto me, I'd keep his Neutral and Up B moves exactly the same, to keep his ties with adult Link ( I say 'adult' but he's not, he's supposed to be a teenager. Maybe we should call him "Teen Link"). Making his moveset too different would stop him feeling like a Link in my opinion.

I like the idea of the Skull Hammer, and the Bombchu Down B, keeps him similar enough to Link.

As for the Deku Leaf, I'd have that as a standard glide, but more like Peach's, but moving down, rather than the aerial acrobatics of Pit and Metaknight.

I'd also give him uniqueness by having his Grappling Hook grab go up at an angle to pull opponents out of the air. Obviously, it would also work at close range for opponents on the ground, as well, like most grabs.

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

His PH/WW attacks owuld still retain clonish aspects. Weapon list by Rhubarbo (from page 1):

Deku Leaf-Unique as recovery, but would be similar to Snake's recovery
Wind Waker- A wand that guides wind...Fluddish maybe but with wind effects? I don see how this could eb a weapon
Phantom Hourglass-Never played
Hurricane Spin- Same spin he already has?
Bombchu- A bomb, just it walks
Skull Hammer- Could work i guess
Tingle Tuner-?
Fire Sword Beam-arrows with different animation?
Grappling Hook-Hookshot bassically
and there are more.

*Excuse my Ignorance and please correct me if I have misconceptions of these weapons or their general funtions. (Never played PH and only played WW to a certain point) Sorry

[CaptainLove911]

He is much different than Link. The only thing i thought his FS should have been the Hurricane Spin.

[Lenvil]

that's a really awesome signature

[ylink_underestimted]

Well, looks like another "Is Toon Link a clone or not?" thread.

My favorite definition about clones goes to Fawriel (http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=120106). Click on the link (no pun intended).

See what you WW Link fans get, you wish really hard for him and you get him but he opened the doorway to freaking clones in brawl which is what alot of people didn't want. There is no way for him to have a unique moveset from Link without it being completely irreverant to his game.
So it's our fault that he's a clone? It's technically everyone who likes Smash that Toon Link, Falco, Wolf, Lucas, and Ganon are clones: Brawl was rushed with a sh**load of expectations (http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/ssbb/vol1_page2.jsp). Yup, freakin Wolf lovers. They made yet a third Fox clone :psycho:
Each of the "clones" I've just listed could've had a unique moveset. I admit most of Toon Link's Special Moves would have been similar to TP Link, but all of his Standard Attacks could've been different and not just the Aerials. Same goes for the other "clones".

Also, the majority of people only didn't want clones in Brawl because Sakurai said he'd try to get rid of clones in Brawl. Like it really matters anyway: clones bring back the characters people were used to in Melee (ex. Toon Link=Young Link; Pikachu=Pichu+Pika).

I'd like you to show me how Toon Link, the character who had the most potential to have a unique moveset without being cloned, couldn't in anyway be unique. All you basically said so far was that some of his B moves would be too similar and that HookShot=Grappling Hook.
=Your a retard aren't you?
QFT :chuckle:
About half the people who have already posted in this thread are retards.
Not really, it brings up your post count haha
I told you he was a clone but you just called me a retard:mad:
The only new item he could've really used thats way different from normal link is his deku leaf like everyone else said.
But bombchus?
NO!
Normal link had bombchus too so that would make no sense
And grappling hook doesn't count as a new item since it would work basically as a hook shot.
Another point I would like to make: Some have said that WW Link should use his windwaker for his moves but that would be stupid seeing as normal link could turn into a wolf or use his ocarina of time.
TP Link has Bombchus? Bombchus are different from normal Bombs dude (Phantom Hourglass). But your right, it would be too similar to a regular Bomb. Except it would, you know, home in the nearest target or something....
Yeah, Toon Link (based on Wind Waker) using the Wind Waker would be stupid.

B: Wind's Requiem: Charged wind blown forward. Minor damage unless fully charged to bring out a tornado (10-15%)
If you think that's stupid: Why does Zamus have a Plasma Whip? Pit with swords?

What's wrong with Wolf Link? I know he had a really small chance of making it, but he could've been unique (IMO more unique with Midna)
He is much different than Link. The only thing i thought his FS should have been the Hurricane Spin.
Hurricane Spin doesn't really seem FS worthy IMO. The last attack on Ganon would've been cooler.

[KazuTheNut]

Why does he have to be a clone? There are so many different weapons that could have been used to make him not a clone.True, but honnestly, who cares whether or not characters are clones or not? Didn't stop people from playing with Falco in Melee.

[DQP]

he isn't quite a clone, he's faster, weaker, and smaller
comparing him to link is sort of like comparing falcon to ganon (brawl version)

[Rutger]

I'll just be saving this little gem.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa266/Sakoten/falconpunch.gif

Btw, why was this brought up after 8 months?

[iRjOn]

T.Link and Link are different y worry about him being a clone nothing can be done about it.

if he is then he is we cant do anything about it this thread is stupid imo but idc.

I personally say hes not in many ways hes different from Link

You kno what I just noticed yea it is that old xD
I didnt really read Rutger's post...
xD