Toon Link vs Ganondorf (video)

[OoNoiRoO]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QdrdPYuKus

[Gary]

He looks amazing, especially the bair spams. Many thanks!

[Moon Monkey]

worst character addition ever

[Parassita]

Yeah Moon, don't provide any reason why you think so. No character addition is bad, and Toon Link is definitely not bad. That's why I'm maining him... this video is pretty old, but thanks for bringing it to any newcomers' attention.

[Moon Monkey]

Worst character because it basically a clone. theirs not much different from Him and Twilight link in move set. At least other supposed clones like Falco and Ganon have different moves for some attacks. I can talk about how much i hate toon link too, but that doesn't change the fact that he is in the game and i hate him thats all..

[Gotann]

Worst character because it basically a clone. theirs not much different from Him and Twilight link in move set. At least other supposed clones like Falco and Ganon have different moves for some attacks. I can talk about how much i hate toon link too, but that doesn't change the fact that he is in the game and i hate him thats all..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX_vq-xUMLM

Some people should really open their eyes before they talk. You can clearly see that EVEN if he is the most noticable clone MOVE WISE, you can claerly see that they fight VERY differently. And that's clones how are in Brawl. If you are going to pick on Toon Link, you might as well pick on the other clones too.

More Ex.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KEuIm7rG32A
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_3VyIgZ0vvE

P.S.: 3 LANDMASTERS!!

[Moon Monkey]

I don't care if they play different they have the same moves if you can READ i said "At least other supposed clones like Falco and Ganon have different moves for some attacks" unlike Toon Link that has all the same moves but with different properties. I don't care if they have different styles they have the same moves that is why i hate Toon link. you posting those vids only support what i say.

[Gotann]

I don't care if they play different they have the same moves if you can READ i said "At least other supposed clones like Falco and Ganon have different moves for some attacks" unlike Toon Link that has all the same moves but with different properties. I don't care if they have different styles they have the same moves that is why i hate Toon link. you posting those vids only support what i say.

I'm sorry I guess I misread a little of what you wrote. However, like I said if you hate Toon Link because of that, the you should hate the other clones. You said Toon Link is the only one to have the same attacks but have different properties, but that's the same thing for other clones except it's not as noticable, "visually".

I feel like even if all these characters are clones, they are their own characters. Because all of them have a big different feeling. Anyways, I don't want to start a big fuss about this. That's how I feel and I just needed to point this out.

Like you said before, he's in, he's a clone, and that's that.

[KangKyu]

Moon, we don't need your cynical and most unneeded commentary in the toon link section when you are just going to flame him for being a clone. That's just idiotic egotism at it's worst. You make the society more horrible than it is depicted through a forum on the internet. Have you no dignity?

On topic: Nice find.

[Moon Monkey]

I make society horrible becuase i have a opinion on a pixel-ated fictional character in which i dislike? I think you need to realize their is a world out side of video games. People have opinions and just becuase its not the same as yours does not mean it idiotic. just suck it up and me a Man/women just like how i have to suck it up even though he is in the game.

[gannondorf4ever]

I make society horrible becuase i have a opinion on a pixel-ated fictional character in which i dislike? I think you need to realize their is a world out side of video games. People have opinions and just becuase its not the same as yours does not mean it idiotic. just suck it up and me a Man/women just like how i have to suck it up even though he is in the game.

No. Its your cynical remarks. His back-air is very different from Link's, he seems like the most clonish visually (which has been said) BUT he will play COMPLETELY differently from Link, relying on very different things. Think Fox/Falco in Melee. Totally different.

Also, whats not to love about him? Hes got the cartoonish bomb explosion from WW!! That makes him better than TP Link (Although I love TP link) to begin with.

And yes, you can have your opinions, but what we dont appreciate is you posting them here in threads in which we are clearly trying to decipher how he works and appreciate him as a great character addition.

Please post your cynical dislike OUTSIDE of the "appreciation for toon link" section of the forum. That being his entire subforum.

[Kizzu-kun]

I make society horrible becuase i have a opinion on a pixel-ated fictional character in which i dislike? I think you need to realize their is a world out side of video games. People have opinions and just becuase its not the same as yours does not mean it idiotic. just suck it up and me a Man/women just like how i have to suck it up even though he is in the game.

You are being just ilogical for posting this in Toon Link forum.
Of course you have the rights to express your opinion, but you don't have the reason to cause flames and pump up hate here.

This is Toon Link forum, what do you expect to find here?
So why did you comment here?
The first thing that comes in my mind is that you want to change the others opinions.

And why?
This causes just unnecessary angry for you and the other members.
You should avoid this kind of discussion, and not just show up immature idealogy.

Sorry anything, I didn't want to flame you and english isn't my first language.
Peace.

[Moon Monkey]

This is the Toon Link Forum correct? Then i will post my personal feelings about that specific character, that is the purpose of the sub-forum So all the discussions and topics relating to that character can be found in one convenient area. If you guys want a "appreciation for toon link" area how about making a thread to support the character.

"No. Its your cynical remarks. His back-air is very different from Link's, he seems like the most clonish visually (which has been said) BUT he will play COMPLETELY differently from Link, relying on very different things. Think Fox/Falco in Melee. Totally different."

I don't care if they play different they have the same moves Thats why i said "At least other supposed clones like Falco and Ganon have different moves for some attacks" unlike Toon Link that has all the same moves but with different properties

Also, whats not to love about him? Hes got the cartoonish bomb explosion from WW!! That makes him better than TP Link (Although I love TP link) to begin with.

Thats your opinion, If you like the frilly explosions thats your deal. I hate him, i and i think his addition to brawl is out of place

So why did you comment here?
The first thing that comes in my mind is that you want to change the others opinions

All i am saying in my opinion he is the worst addition to brawl. and you call me immature. if you ask me the immature ones are you becuase some one is talking bad about you favorite pile of pixels. I do not want to change your opinions but you guys are just going to have to except the fact not everyone in the world likes what you like

[Kizzu-kun]

This is the Toon Link Forum correct? Then i will post my personal feelings about that specific character, that is the purpose of the sub-forum So all the discussions and topics relating to that character can be found in one convenient area. If you guys want a "appreciation for toon link" area how about making a thread to support the character.

"No. Its your cynical remarks. His back-air is very different from Link's, he seems like the most clonish visually (which has been said) BUT he will play COMPLETELY differently from Link, relying on very different things. Think Fox/Falco in Melee. Totally different."

I don't care if they play different they have the same moves Thats why i said "At least other supposed clones like Falco and Ganon have different moves for some attacks" unlike Toon Link that has all the same moves but with different properties

Also, whats not to love about him? Hes got the cartoonish bomb explosion from WW!! That makes him better than TP Link (Although I love TP link) to begin with.

Thats your opinion, If you like the frilly explosions thats your deal. I hate him, i and i think his addition to brawl is out of place

So why did you comment here?
The first thing that comes in my mind is that you want to change the others opinions

All i am saying in my opinion he is the worst addition to brawl. and you call me immature. if you ask me the immature ones are you becuase some one is talking bad about you favorite pile of pixels. I do not want to change your opinions but you guys are just going to have to except the fact not everyone in the world likes what you like
Sorry if I typed in a unclear way, I didn't called you immature, but you still don't get it.

There is no problem in express your opinion.
Its doesn't matter if you think that or not, this doesn't means that you are worse or better than the others.

But let me ask you something.
Where are all the others with the same opinion than you?
They are not here, so its pointless to you say that you think that Toon Link is the worst addition here.
You'll only get unecessary discussion.
Its pointless.

You say that the members don't accept that... so if they don't accept that?
You can't change anything, you can't change their opinions about this (and not if the Toon Link is the worst addition), and this is their fault.
Avoid these things, seriously.

Hope that you got the message XD

[Moon Monkey]

Sorry if I typed in a unclear way, I didn't called you immature, but you still don't get it.

There is no problem in express your opinion.
Its doesn't matter if you think that or not, this doesn't means that you are worse or better than the others.

But let me ask you something.
Where are all the others with the same opinion than you?
They are not here, so its pointless to you say that you think that Toon Link is the worst addition here.
You'll only get unecessary discussion.
Its pointless.

You say that the members don't accept that... so if they don't accept that?
You can't change anything, you can't change their opinions about this (and not if the Toon Link is the worst addition), and this is their fault.
Avoid these things, seriously.

Hope that you got the message XD

"There is no problem in express your opinion.
Its doesn't matter if you think that or not, this doesn't means that you are worse or better than the others."

Notice the third post just said "he is the worst character addition" and then one person asked my to give reasons why i dislike him and so i did and as soon as i give reasons everyone wants to go PMSing on me.


"Where are all the others with the same opinion than you?"


I don't know and i never bothered to look for one all i did was watch the video and gave my feed back. Isn't that the point of the Thread?

"You'll only get unecessary discussion."

A discussion takes two people ( unless you have a conversation with yourself) Now you don't see me attacking the second post saying "oh your an idiot to like toon link", no i accepted his opinion and gave mine. so why can't people do that to me as well? It has been done before on Brawl Central, Yes i know this is no Brawl Central it's SmashBoards, but if your telling me that this is no brawl central in which Toon link lovers and haters and discuss then your basically telling me that Smashboards is full of childish fan boy/girls that hate negative comments about their character. Which i know for a fact is not true about smashboards

Other then that, you pretty straight forward in what you had to say and I'll avoid the extremist and take it into consideration

[tshahi10]

moon monley, you hate is out of place. no one appreciates it. if you want to hate on toon link, why dont u say that in a different thread. this thread is called toon link vs ganondorf. him being a clone and you hating him is irrelevant. i thought it was a great vid btw.
if you hate toon link so much, why did you come to this thread?
when you could complain immaturely in the other toon link thread "clone or not" because your posts actually seem relevant there.

[debaser]

He was probably molested by someone who was cel shaded

[Moon Monkey]

This was the first video i saw of him, when my friend said Wind waker/phantom hourglass link was in brawl i came to smash boards. when i saw the video my reaction was "worst character ever". So i typed in my reaction into the thread. Does it matter if i hate him or not last time i checked it was the TOON LINK sub-forum, not the TOON LINK LOVERS sub-forum. I can post what i think about the video becuase it is the Toon link -sub forum you guys already have a Toon link appreciation thread. if so afraid about what other may think and say then stay in this thread why don't you stay in the thread that is related to glorifying the character. The whole sub-forum does not say toon link "only toon link lovers comments". Why is it so hard for guys to just read the previous post to get your answer, this thread has been spent more on you guys complaining on my 1 negative comment then the video.

@ debaser: Now tell me how does that comment relate to the video? Not only it was a bad joke but, it doesn't even relate

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

Moon Monkey, this isn't, technically, the "Toon Link Lovers" sub-forum, but, since every character has their own forum, most of the people who go to these character forums are lovers or haters, but mostly lovers. This is for every character.

Also, you can come in here and say you don't like Toon Link all you want, but some of us have actually played Brawl and watched video's and stuff, and Toon Link is actually an extremely good, solid character, even if you don't like him. He has a lot of good points and not many bad ones, they did an excellent job with him.

[Moon Monkey]

I have played brawl as well my friend order it he doesn't all the characters, but from what i seen from characters like falco/wolf/Fox and ganondorf/Captain Falcon . even though they may be clones they have different moves and animations for some attacks so the character isn't a copy and paste of another character. Toon link on the other hand has the same move animations as link, not even his own moves from his own games. of course he is a good character battle wise but i think he is bad character to preform those moves when it already exist very similarly to link. yeah i know he has some different variations like the (down + a in the air) is like Sonics foot stomp and his boomerang isn't the gale boomerang other then that he is pretty much link.

[GeneralPit]

I make society horrible becuase i have a opinion on a pixel-ated fictional character in which i dislike? I think you need to realize their is a world out side of video games. People have opinions and just becuase its not the same as yours does not mean it idiotic. just suck it up and me a Man/women just like how i have to suck it up even though he is in the game.

Too bad what you're doing is like a Neo-Nazi walking into a synagogue talking about how Jews suck (just an example).
This forum is to discuss Toon Link as a positive addition to the roster (which he is :p), not for some raving anti-clone nonsense.

So some (not all) of his moves look similar? Big deal. Fox and Falco were in a similar boat in Melee. So were Falcon and Ganondorf. Did they play the same? Not quite. Where both pairs good in their own respects? Of course.

But of course since their moves look the same one of them has to suck? One piece of chocolate filled with caramel looks like another piece of chocolate filled with peanut butter, but does one of them have to not exist because of their outward appearance despite the fact they're still different as a whole? They both are there to suit different people and their different tastes. And opinons.

[Moon Monkey]

Too bad what you're doing is like a Neo-Nazi walking into a synagogue talking about how Jews suck (just an example).
This forum is to discuss Toon Link as a positive addition to the roster (which he is :p), not for some raving anti-clone nonsense.

Your opinion is that he is a good character, And where do you see in the subforum talking about only positive comments about that character is allowed?

So some (not all) of his moves look similar? Big deal. Fox and Falco were in a similar boat in Melee. So were Falcon and Ganondorf. Did they play the same? Not quite. Where both pairs good in their own respects? Of course.

yeah but at least Ganondorf and Falco have changes this time around. I have said this once and i'll say it again "I don't care if they play different they have the same moves . I don't care if they have different styles they have the same moves.

But of course since their moves look the same one of them has to suck? One piece of chocolate filled with caramel looks like another piece of chocolate filled with peanut butter, but does one of them have to not exist because of their outward appearance despite the fact they're still different as a whole? They both are there to suit different people and their different tastes. And opinons.

Toon Link and Twilight princess are two differen't incarnations of link. Twilight has his own moves and Toon has his own. Why rehash the same moves on a differen't character? i'm sure they could of at least given him something to make him worth being a character

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

Actually Moon Monkey, Toon Link has at least 3 unique moves in his arsenal. His back-air, neutral-air, and up-smash are all completely different from Adult Link's.
His dash attack might be different too. I believe Toon Link's is a shield bash, but I might be wrong.

Point is, he has unique moves all to himself. In addition, the auto FF for the down-air makes the move COMPLETELY different in pretty much every use and application of the move.

So, he's not a copy and paste character either.

[Moon Monkey]

Actually Moon Monkey, Toon Link has at least 3 unique moves in his arsenal. His back-air, neutral-air, and up-smash are all completely different from Adult Link's.
His dash attack might be different too. I believe Toon Link's is a shield bash, but I might be wrong.

His nuetral a to me looks the same to me. Thanks alot you actually some moves that differ, but may be i wasn't clear like i'm talking about moves that suit the character

-like falco's side a air attack he trills with his beak, Wolf or fox can't do that and Falco also uses he wings for smashes

-Wolf is different from fox becuse Fox majors in kicks and wolf uses his calws ro fight for his smash

What i was talking about for young/toon link was like items or moves that he can do from his games i'm sure that thier are some items and moves that have only been done.nd you know what would have been a better final smash even if the did do the triforce slash it would have been better if the 3 other links for Legod of Zelda 4 swords came and also joined in on the attack. or something like that



Point is, he has unique moves all to himself. In addition, the auto FF for the down-air makes the move COMPLETELY different in pretty much every use and application of the move.

So, he's not a copy and paste character either

I played Toon link a few times at my friends house. and he has the same neutral a to me, the back a i think is the double kick back like links,. and i think the up smash is different

[Kizzu-kun]

Moon Monkey, of course that this isn't the Toon Link's lovers subforum, but what I was trying to say to you is that you should avoid that kind of comment. The "worst addition ever".

Most people that actually dislikes Toon Link, doesn't come at this subforum like the the ones who likes. And with less number of people with the same opinion like your, is likely some members will flame you. That is what I call illogical. Its like jumping in gasoline waiting for a fire.

I'm sorry, my english is not so good at the point to express myself completely well.

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

Neutral Air:
-Link: Sex Kick
-Toon Link: Double slash reminiscent of Marth's
Back Air:
-Link: double boot kick
-Toon Link: backward slash spin
Up-Smash:
-Link: Triple slash
-Toon Link: Circular single slash

You cannot use the Fox/Falco/Wolf argument. This is because it is physically impossible for Fox and Wolf to do a spinning beak drill, as they do not possess a beak. Same goes for all the other moves that are different for them.

Also, we're all disappointed that Sakurai decided not to make him a unique character. Because of this fact, Toon Link cannot use any of his items from his games.

He has been luigified, that's all there is to it. Maybe SSB4 will have a unique Hero of Winds for all of us to enjoy.

[Moon Monkey]

@ Kizzu-kun: I guess i never got the memo that the people that dislike toon link don't come here i thought at the least they would come here to express why they hate him instead of just saying i hate him. I understand what you mean though

@ Kabyk-Greenmyst:

"Neutral Air:
-Link: Sex Kick
-Toon Link: Double slash reminiscent of Marth's
Back Air:
-Link: double boot kick
-Toon Link: backward slash spin
Up-Smash:
-Link: Triple slash
-Toon Link: Circular single slash"

Okay thank you i was waiting for a side by side comparison or waiting for something like this on youtube to show the different. I notice the today at my friends house while playing. The just switched the A-Neutral with the A-Back


"You cannot use the Fox/Falco/Wolf argument. This is because it is physically impossible for Fox and Wolf to do a spinning beak drill, as they do not possess a beak. Same goes for all the other moves that are different for them."

Exactly i want a move that Toon link can do that link can't to make him worth playing as

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

I know we WANT Toon Link to be a unique character, but he was classified as a clone, so the most we can possibly get is different sword attacks, and we have to accept that. In fact, we should be grateful the big jerk even changed at least three of his moves!

**** you Sakurai!

Anyway, you're welcome for the comparison, but what do you mean they "just switched the Neutral-Air with the Back-air"?

[Moon Monkey]

I know we WANT Toon Link to be a unique character, but he was classified as a clone, so the most we can possibly get is different sword attacks, and we have to accept that. In fact, we should be grateful the big jerk even changed at least three of his moves!

**** you Sakurai!

Anyway, you're welcome for the comparison, but what do you mean they "just switched the Neutral-Air with the Back-air"?

After playing Brawl at my friends house today I notice the neutral air for Link is that he twirls with his sword while Toon Link kicks, and Link Kicks for his Back A while Toon Link Twirls.

Thats what i meant.

[BAND!T]

do u kno why they have the same moveset? why they are so similar? CUZ THEYRE THE SAME PERSON. that is all.

[Moon Monkey]

Please tell me that your joking...

They not the same person they are incarnations.

[BAND!T]

incarnations of the same person. with the same z-targeting. with the same sword. with the same green outfit and hat. WITH THE SAME MOVES. but if you dont like him then dont play him. but dont make fun of ppl who do want to play him. link and tlink's strategies are totally different. as for the deku leaf.. it didnt go up without wind. and i would be dissappointed in it because if you looks at snakes recovery... you can just grab his little toy, and he plummets to his death. i bet i just repeating what everyone else said.

[toon link 94]

good vid thanks!