Fox's Shine: Even More Broken

[Xanderous]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=86qgmn6pP4s
Around 3:52+

Okay, so it wasn't really broken in Melee, but it was certainly OP. Now they made it better? Retarded.

[rageagainst]

note that without wavedashing and other adv techs shine won't be nearly as useful as it was in melee, and thus they buffed the move knowing it still woudn't reach the hieghts it reached in melee.

[Xanderous]

note that without wavedashing and other adv techs shine won't be nearly as useful as it was in melee, and thus they buffed the move knowing it still woudn't reach the hieghts it reached in melee.

Good point, but now you can just spam it on the ledge after a throw and you're good to go.

[S2]

The real problem with the shine wasn't spiking, but the combos Fox could do with it.

Thus, without the wavedash its not really too overpowered anymore. Its right where it should be.

[Titanium Dragon]

I don't see what was broken about it; slowing your falling? That's hardly broken, and while it might lead to some cool tricks, that's still a purely defensive technique. What made shine good was its offensive uses, and it just isn't as good offensively now.

[Proven]

Are you guys even trying to look closely? It looks bigger, but it doesn't shine another player still unless they're next to him. From about 4:40 to 4:48, he tries repeatedly to shine Falcon but nothing happens until Falcon gets right next to him. In the end, the extra flashes are probably only there to reflect projectiles, but they don't seem to affect other characters at all.

[Chaosblade77]

I got the feeling Falco's MIGHT end up broken once people figure out how to use that thing properly...

[Sonic_Wolf]

Stop talking about broken stuff when you havent even played the game

[Xanderous]

Stop talking about broken stuff when you havent even played the game

Don't tell me what to do, kid. It's a speculation forum and the technique looks retardedly abusable.

[Micahc]

Watched the part you said too, it didn't look broken at all.

[LavisFiend]

Sheik's needle can still insta kill 3rd jump recoveries from what I have been told.

Not a broken move, but I am happy for this.

Nothing quite says "denied" more than a needle to the face. XD

Shine should be fine.

[frankisvital]

Character forums are awesome.

[sHy)(gUy]

the shine is still usefull, u shine gr opponent away u run at them u eithr grab,attack, or shine again,thats preety much fox's game

[DarkISDA]

Heh, is it me or Fox did a Up-Smash out of shield at 5:17?

[limitbreak]

Gotta love the shine! But yea the problem with not buffing it down a little bit is that people are going to find new uses for it.

[tshahi10]

look from 3:19-3:25
look at falco's shine. hmmm, possiblities

[MeloDeath]

yea, he did.

[kobefox2485]

its better for mindgames now lol, its mesmerizing and confusing

[Falco BOMBardi]

Fox can't handle Falco now. Game Over. Falco Wins.

[Zodiac]

He can still shine spike, I've seen himshine spike marth in another match.

[UltimatX]

note that without wavedashing and other adv techs shine won't be nearly as useful as it was in melee, and thus they buffed the move knowing it still woudn't reach the hieghts it reached in melee.

There is wavedashing. Or at least wavelanding. In a vid I saw Mario wavelanded past Dedede. I'm sure most, or all of the other advanced techniques are still there.

[Sonovin]

Well...at least you can use the shine for mind games.
Since fox's shine makes him fall slowly and you can spam it, you can use it to your advantage for recovery and last stock suicide and still win, just because you fall slower.

[saratos]

Looks as if the knockback and stun have been gimped and there is weird air-stallling now.

[_X_]

He can still shine spike, I've seen himshine spike marth in another match.

Got the link to the vid?

[Charlesz]

Its still useful the shine but the lack of wavedash is really going to affect space animals

[Layupfreak]

Don't tell me what to do, kid. It's a speculation forum and the technique looks retardedly abusable.

Stop talking about broken stuff when you haven't even played the game yet.

[mwhp13]

Stop talking about broken stuff when you haven't even played the game yet.

It's true, no one can really tell what is and isn't broken when we haven't played the game yet.

Once it is out in the US, then we can talk about what is broken.

[DarkISDA]

I'll tell you what's broken: My Gamecube Controller :'(

[ipitydatfu]

I'll tell you what's broken: My Gamecube Controller :'(

rofl same here. i cant run to the left, the only way i can move to the left is to wavedash, forget about recovery

[Kiyoru]

I used the shine to look awesome, but now i can't ;(

[MorpheusVGX]

He has the right to say his opinion. From the vids you can say techniques are very powerful. I haven't played the game, but from many videos I can say plenty of things about the game.

I think fox is still very fast and capable. Fox and Falco were characters who could use many "bugs" of the game at their advantage.. Possibly, many of those things were fixed. Overall the game seems more balanced (for now).