What are his weaknesses?

[Fawriel]

Straight to the point.

-What are his weaknesses?

-How do I exploit them?

Note that I mean actual weaknesses, not "certain characteristics that are slightly below average or little disadvantages that can be exploited if you learn such and such breakneck maneuver".

[MysticJon]

only weakness i can think of is that hes slightly harder to play than most other chatracters, but **** is he good.

[Fawriel]

So that's my cue to start running amok.

Come on, people, there's got to be something! >_<

[Big Bob]

Well, in Melee Falcon had a tendency to die very easily (my friends made jokes about he self destructed twice a match on average). Though, I've noticed that the biggest problem we had with him (that he has to go a little above the cliff to grab it) has been fixed, as now he'll grab the cliff as soon as he touches it.

[Fawriel]

Though, I've noticed that the biggest problem we had with him (that he has to go a little above the cliff to grab it) has been fixed, as now he'll grab the cliff as soon as he touches it.

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[LuLLo]

Well a clear weakness is seen on the ground, he doesn't have many options ground-wise, attacks to slow...
And one of his strengths it seems has been taken out, his long running jump, I don't know for sure, but I've seen a vid of the SSE and thought I'd seen it, is this true?

[Fawriel]

How slow are these attacks? The way he is in Melee, he's just a better heavyweight than the heavyweights and has none of their disadvantages.

So if his jump doesn't reach such a distance anymore, does that mean that he can't recover from anywhere anymore?

Yes, I'll admit it, I have an irrational fear of hate for Falcon. Just nod and smile.

[LuLLo]

To Fawriel: IF his jump isn't that long anymore, it doesn't do anything to his recovery, since you need to run+jump to do that long jump, and in the air you can't exactly run...
And yeah, the attacks were too slow to use, sometimes you could combo into them, like downthrow - down smash and wait for your opponents to roll in, 2/3 chance of getting a hit, or u-throw to f-smash on certain percentages, and there are a few other techniques, but he needs set-ups 9/10 times, so his weakness is ground attacks...doesn't matter really, since his air game is superior, but IF the long jump is taken out, we'd better hope for some good ground attacks, because his approach and his essential short-hop game were Falcon's super-cons...

Anyways, I'll just main him again as always, can't live without some good knee-ravaging at the time...

[Tom nom nom nom!]

alcohol and a severe temper

[Fawriel]

To Fawriel: IF his jump isn't that long anymore, it doesn't do anything to his recovery, since you need to run+jump to do that long jump, and in the air you can't exactly run...
And yeah, the attacks were too slow to use, sometimes you could combo into them, like downthrow - down smash and wait for your opponents to roll in, 2/3 chance of getting a hit, or u-throw to f-smash on certain percentages, and there are a few other techniques, but he needs set-ups 9/10 times, so his weakness is ground attacks...doesn't matter really, since his air game is superior, but IF the long jump is taken out, we'd better hope for some good ground attacks, because his approach and his essential short-hop game were Falcon's super-cons...
I just kinda assumed that his recovery from far off-screen meant that he somehow ignored that fact.
Well, I guess I can learn to deal with him if he really is THAT slow on the ground.........

alcohol and a severe temper
YES! FINALLY!

[TelpeFion]

Falcon may not be able to combo as well as he has done in SSB and SSBM, then again his recovery seems to be better and safer now.

[SpitFire15]

C. Falcon has no weaknesses, only impatience for those who foolishly plan on opposing him.

[abit_rusty]

Obviously his recovery hasn't changed....hint hint.

[RedMage8BT]

C. Falcon's only weakness is that his knee has a mind of its own.

[JJJ.Brawler]

Hmm, in Melee I always used to think he had a predictable recovery... other than that, I don't think he has any.

[TheJalapeno]

He can't say "Falcon punch" correct anymore.

EXPLOIT THAT.

[Scar]

Falcon is a ridiculously strong aerial character and his combos were amazing in Melee due to L-Cancelling. I have yet to play Brawl, but if there is a lot of landing lag on his moves, he will not be able to aerial combo as well and will be easy to punish after his aerials, which are IMO his most worthwhile attacks.

That said, it is my belief that without L-Cancelling, Falcon was unintentionally nerfed REAL hard. Then again, you can't just WD back grab anymore, so what do I know.

[S2]

Falcon is a ridiculously strong aerial character and his combos were amazing in Melee due to L-Cancelling. I have yet to play Brawl, but if there is a lot of landing lag on his moves, he will not be able to aerial combo as well and will be easy to punish after his aerials, which are IMO his most worthwhile attacks.

That said, it is my belief that without L-Cancelling, Falcon was unintentionally nerfed REAL hard. Then again, you can't just WD back grab anymore, so what do I know.

Agreed, but keep in mind that the lack of sweetspotting the edge in Brawl makes Falcon's recovery much better.

[GreenKirby]

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How come you can swear uncensored but we can't?

[Krell]

Range baffles C. Falcon. That is all.

[Fawriel]

Hmm, in Melee I always used to think he had a predictable recovery... other than that, I don't think he has any.
And that is exactly why I dislike Melee.
Captain Falcon has an exploitable recovery, and besides that, pretty much all the main advantages available.
Kirby has an exploitable recovery and none of those advantages.
It boggles the mind.

He can't say "Falcon punch" correct anymore.

EXPLOIT THAT.
Hah! He shall WEEP as I impersonate him better than he could ever dream!

Falcon is a ridiculously strong aerial character and his combos were amazing in Melee due to L-Cancelling. I have yet to play Brawl, but if there is a lot of landing lag on his moves, he will not be able to aerial combo as well and will be easy to punish after his aerials, which are IMO his most worthwhile attacks.

That said, it is my belief that without L-Cancelling, Falcon was unintentionally nerfed REAL hard. Then again, you can't just WD back grab anymore, so what do I know.
So basically, play the waiting game and wait for him to approach so you can counter, possibly with a grab?

How come you can swear uncensored but we can't?
It's not what I say, it's how I say it, if you catch my drift. :p

EDIT:
Range baffles C. Falcon. That is all.
You know. It just occurred to me.

Range.
Fair meteor.
Dair meteor.
Set knockback dtilt.

Now it's official, I'm so maining Yoshi.

[Mario_ 101]

Well his recovery for one, plus he can be comboed easily.

[DJ-DIBBS]

Captain Falcon is pretty good overall, I heard he cant combo? since advance techniques are not in, eh, wwell find new ones... knee

[gamer8]

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Nice sig.... :psycho:

[reborn394]

I just hope his advantages far outweight his cons in Brawl.

[Diddy Kong]

His nipples. Why? Cause he'll get nipple twisted easier. Otherwise, Captain Falcon knows no weakness.

[Pyr0]

You fool!

Captain Falcon does not have a weakness!

All jokes a side, I think the lack of l-cancel might slow he's mad combos but he should remain quite the good character doing juggles.

[Y34HDUD3!!!]

Captain Falcon's only weakness is to be used by a weak player.


That is all.

[mattc1231]

C. Falcon's only weakness is that his knee has a mind of its own.

its so crazy it deserves its own pair of golden nips

[PyroRyuken]

How about his recovery? Edgeguarding worked in melee but I don't know about Brawl.

[Flying Dutchman]

He doesn't have a projectile.

Doesn't seem like much does it? Well, it's important. Falcon seemingly just lacks range, and if somebody asked me 'How did they nerf Falcon?' I'd say 'I THINK they toned down his range a bit'. Without a projectile and his dashing speed lower due to the nature of the game, and losing his far jump, approaching might be a bit harder.

Basically, what I can deduce is...

- Pick a character with higher range. Marth seems like a good choice due to high range and speed of pretty much all his attacks.
- Shieldgrabbing. It might be hard to pull off because Falcon is just really frikkin' fast, but if you can... I'd say get somebody with a high grabbing range.
- No L-cancel MIGHT hurt Falcon a bit on the combo's.

EDIT: AND, Falcon Kick doesn't give him his second jump back. His recovery is still subpar, especially compared to other characters.

[simplicityho]

Straight to the point.

-What are his weaknesses?

-How do I exploit them?

Note that I mean actual weaknesses, not "certain characteristics that are slightly below average or little disadvantages that can be exploited if you learn such and such breakneck maneuver".

Are you suggesting that he actually has weaknesses? That he isn't made of pure awesome?

[Fawriel]

He doesn't have a projectile.

Doesn't seem like much does it? Well, it's important. Falcon seemingly just lacks range, and if somebody asked me 'How did they nerf Falcon?' I'd say 'I THINK they toned down his range a bit'. Without a projectile and his dashing speed lower due to the nature of the game, and losing his far jump, approaching might be a bit harder.

Basically, what I can deduce is...

- Pick a character with higher range. Marth seems like a good choice due to high range and speed of pretty much all his attacks.
- Shieldgrabbing. It might be hard to pull off because Falcon is just really frikkin' fast, but if you can... I'd say get somebody with a high grabbing range.
- No L-cancel MIGHT hurt Falcon a bit on the combo's.

EDIT: AND, Falcon Kick doesn't give him his second jump back. His recovery is still subpar, especially compared to other characters.
Projectiles...
In Melee, I'd argue that that isn't so much a weakness as it is a lack of a strength. After all, only about half of the cast really has projectiles, far fewer have actually useful projectiles, and less than a handful have projectiles that move faster than Falcon does himself. Not to mention that projectiles are often used to surprise your opponent or to open possibilities for combos, and the side-b does a pretty **** good job at both of those...

But... yeah. This game will be more balanced. I'll take your suggestions into account. Thanks.

Are you suggesting that he actually has weaknesses? That he isn't made of pure awesome?
You know that image where the king of Hyrule from the CD-i games has his mouth open and his finger raised? In situations like these, I wish I had a small version of that image handy.

[BDawgPHD]

(my friends made jokes about he self destructed twice a match on average)....

No, see, it's cuz the only thing that can kill Captain Falcon is Captain Falcon :chuckle:

[Parthenon]

I played Brawl with competitive play in mind (no items etc.) and Falcon recieved a massive nerf on the entirety of his being. He's no longer remotely a fast character by any means (half the roster is faster than him), he can't dashdance or wavedash, and he can't L-Cancel his aerials. He's got no approach at all.

Up-throw sends them too far for a follow-up aerial. Down-throw would be good if he could still run, but his ground speed is too low to tech chase. Side throws don't even factor in.

Knee has a new sweetspot that's nearly impossible to score with. The timeframe for it is smaller, the hitbox is smaller, and he can't blaze across the stage to hit with it anyways. Also, everyone recovers from hits in time to throw out a nair in case you want to combo it. Brawl is too floaty and recoveries are too fast for knee combos to happen. It's still just as strong, though. Kills at 90% when most people need 150+% to get a kill.

The only buff he's gotten is that his Side-B no longer freezes him in the air, and if you hit someone with it, he pops over them and keeps moving forward. Also, as everyone knows, his Up-B now sweetspots.

And he says "Falcon Paunch" instead of "Falcon Punch" now.

I need more time to see the good parts of Falcon, but right now he's looking like low/bottom tier.

[Fawriel]

Parthenon.
If there is anything... ANYTHING I can do for you. Just ask. You have my number.

[Jellybelly]

Falcon, like all F-Zero characters, has a steroid abuse problem

Just alert the authorities and viola. Suspended indefinitely from Brawl, The olympics and the world national beach volleyball association.

No need to thank me.

[Waka_Waka_do_do_yea]

Falcon, like all F-Zero characters, has a steroid abuse problem

Just alert the authorities and viola. Suspended indefinitely from Brawl, The olympics and the world national beach volleyball association.

No need to thank me.

what if he knee's the authorities? Viola ^__^

Parthenon.
he can't dashdance
What, in you're opinion is falcon doing in this video, http://www.wifiwars.com/?q=node/75, look at match 2. To me, it looks like he is runnign/walking/turning back and forth. Much like a dashdance.

[Shin Virus]

the lack of l-cancelling so far seems to be his biggest weakness, and his dash is slower now man that really annoys me

hopefully his aerials have more priority this time around, cuz in melee they had very little

[Jumanji]

So....
You have got to give them more time with the game to find this out. I mean most people would be telling you that Ganon could not recover long distances in Melee after only a weak, or that Luigi was to slow on the ground to be playable, or that Marth's weak attacks make him inferior to Roy, or any other newbie thoughts about the game. Give it some time to be tested and played with. Currently everyone is a dirty newb at the game, and any answer you get will come from the perspective of a newbie. You would not listen to a newbie about Melee advice would you?
Also, if I remember correctly, isn't L-canceling in the game, just changed. You can still cancel the lag of aerials, you just have to perform the aerial on the way up? At least that was how it was in the demo.