If everthing seems the same...

[dan smith]

"Ness is virtually, unchanged." - Dude playing as Ness in Brawl

Hmm...anybody want to start lookin' for clues as to whether our favorite little glitch is still present in Brawl, eh?

I'm not up to date with all of the leaks that have occurred over the past day or two, or if there is any good footage of the yoyo in action, but the YYG is innocuous enough that the developers may have overlooked it?

Here's hoping. :laugh:

[VilNess]

LOL!

good luck in that YYG finding :P I hope more that Ness would have competitive value in tournies too... Other wise I have to continue tier *****ing :P

[SenorPresidente]

well how good is this guy playing. it may look and feel unchanged to the untrained eye

[Levitas]

lol, I mentioned that to Ademisk last night on aim.

We'll just have to see...

[Ademisk]

The guy obviously doesn't know Ness. His moveset is the same, and his attacks may not be as dramatically changed as some characters, but most people here should be able to see some fairly large difference after watching the videos I posted in the moveset thread.


The Yoyo opening frames look large the same, with a possibly more useful hitbox during the subsequent whirling around. Anyway, considering the charging hitbox and the knockback the yoyo does, YYG is....possible. We'll have to look into it.

[W.Jr]

yea lol, 2bad for those ness players who wanted a change in his moves

[DekuBoy]

You're listening to someone who just watched the movie? PK Flash looks faster anyhow.

[dan smith]

I appreciate the lulz. Hopefully more vids will start to pop up...with more yoyo.

[AsbestosBlatant]

PK Flash is a lot lower and quicker, though we haven't seen a vid of it charged all the way. His PK Thunder lives a lot longer. His aerials ALL execute quicker (his dropkick even seems to be faster than in smash 64), and his punchpunchkick combo is blazing fast. His downtilt is also faster to the point that it can probably go as fast as you can tap. PK Fire travels farther.

That's just gathered from videos.

[NessOnett]

PK Flash is a lot lower and quicker, though we haven't seen a vid of it charged all the way. His PK Thunder lives a lot longer. His aerials ALL execute quicker (his dropkick even seems to be faster than in smash 64), and his punchpunchkick combo is blazing fast. His downtilt is also faster to the point that it can probably go as fast as you can tap. PK Fire travels farther.

That's just gathered from videos.

these things seem good, and id much rather see general buffs than the continuation of the YYG. Seems like people might start having to take me seriously when i choose Ness in tourneys(not that they didn't in melee, but now they will take me seriously BEFORE the match...)

[Ademisk]

I've already gone over the moves. Hard to tell anything at this point. PK Thunder hasn't survived very long in any situation for us to be able to tell its length, though it does seem to have a larger tail.


Regardless, I think the general consensus in this thread is that Ness is not in fact the same. He's basically a clone of himself in Melee, with moves that look the same, but are still very different.

[Simna ibn Sind]

so uh....i saw ness playing in one vid on the Summit stage

he hit himself with pk thunder and went a short distance....and then later did it again and went a LONG distance


also: about YYG,,,,i've seen the upsmash used a few times in vids, but has anyone actually seen it charged? like does it still hang out in front of ness and spin while it charges?

[Ademisk]

Yeah. I saw it somewhere.

And dude, Lucas's PK Thunder is soooo much better, just abandon Ness already. It's not even fair.

[kenny10]

They should have lengthened Ness's PKT :(

[W.Jr]

they should have never put ness, sorry all ness fan, but to me he is useless.

[NessOnett]

they should have never put ness, sorry all ness fan, but to me he is useless.

to you...that is because he takes skill(and time/effort/practice) to use properly. He is amazing. And one day, you will be playing on the internet, and some random Ness main is going to rip you apart...and you'll think to yourself: "WOW, i just got raped by a psychic little boy and his baseball bat..."

[Simna ibn Sind]

Yeah. I saw it somewhere.

And dude, Lucas's PK Thunder is soooo much better, just abandon Ness already. It's not even fair.
Lucas has a *****-*** defensive ****-sucking pkthunder for ****ing pussies...

Ness' AWESOME PK Thunder is the very essence of ATTACK and is the best move in the game!


lolololololol

[NessOnett]

Lucas has a *****-*** defensive ****-sucking pkthunder for ****ing pussies...

Ness' AWESOME PK Thunder is the very essence of ATTACK and is the best move in the game!


lolololololol

what he said...but in my voice. If Lucas' PKT is as good as you think it is, it would be far far past broken, and with Sakurai putting so much effort into balance, he wouldn't make such an overt mistake. There is no way Lucas' PKT can beat Ness' for attacking power, it merely has easier recovery for less skilled players.

[Angrylobster]

Lucas has a *****-*** defensive ****-sucking pkthunder for ****ing pussies...

Ness' AWESOME PK Thunder is the very essence of ATTACK and is the best move in the game!


lolololololol

Haha, thems fighting words! $5 MM over wifi! Lucas vs Ness goo!

[Ademisk]

Huh. Well Simna's cool again.

But Lucas's PK thunder is going to be gay for edgeguarding. I'm just saying it now.

[DeuceBlade]

Does Ness still have his amazing back kick

[Simna ibn Sind]

i think....it will be funny....to someone "forget" and jump out to try to eat Lucas' pk thunder tho...when he is recovering

they get hit with lucas' weak recovery and then go "oh....i forgot"

[Ademisk]

Plus Lucas would go right through them with his recovery, since they don't go flying, and edgehog them.

[Simna ibn Sind]

lol o this just in: Lucas' PK Starstorm deals 15% per meteor

Ness' deals 20% per meteor

[Ademisk]

Lucas's all go at once, Ness's go in a pattern.

[Simna ibn Sind]

they both come down light at first then heavy at the end

[Ademisk]

Well, I haven't bothered seeing Lucas's, I'm just going by what Sakurai said on the Dojo. If he phrased it wrong(AGAIN) then it's not my fault for being a lazy *******, no sir.

[Levitas]

The only difference other than damage (and color) is that Lucas's go straight down, but Ness's fan outward on a slanted trajectory away from him fanning outward as they fly down.

****, I want to play brawl right now.

[Ademisk]

Jman, love the new sig, crazy good.

[MarvinTPA]

Hokay! Just attempting to clear out a few things that seem to have died out.
Lucas' PKT is not...a good edge guard. Your opponent simply gets his/her recovery move back.
Ness's back kick is indeed back. and amazing. range seems to have been cut a tiny amount, but it is a bit faster.
does anybody know if PKT is cancellable? anyone who's seen "gameplay 7" or the Ice climbers stage battle would like to know.
and...that's about it, i think.
THat is a cool sig.

[Levitas]

If by cancellable, you mean you can stop yourself in midair during the attack, I somehow doubt it. Thanks for the compliments guys.

[saratos]

Oh, here is a pretty minor change. NO DJC!