DeDeDe chaingrab?

[icraq]

You can see DeDeDe has a really good dthrow chaingrab. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYmNmm-bNns Uses it near the beginning at this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeBHzWM3Erg Uses it to force Ike off the edge of the screen (cheap.)
Also saw him do it to bowser, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWWQ3CAYRr4&feature=related so, that looks pretty good to me.
Overall Dedede is looking more and more better now that I've seen these pros in Japan play the game.

[Lechteron]

Of course Ike is heavy so that may only work well on him. Might be off if the character is heavier or lighter. Plus, he was starting to learn to get out of it.

[Itakio]

Heh, Dedede is looking better than I thought. However, it seems like the chainthrow is only really able to work on the big (or slow I guess) characters. You can see that Ike escaped it sometimes, but not others... I wonder if DI affects the throw at all?

Also, that looks like his down throw, not forward. I think you can see him using his forward throw other times.

[Archenyte]

looks like it only works on slow/heavy characters and it gets less effective at higher percents because the other character gets sent further. This would be a huge disadvantage for bowser and DK at walk off stages. Also, I think it was a Down throw

[S2]

Heh, Dedede is looking better than I thought. However, it seems like the chainthrow is only really able to work on the big (or slow I guess) characters. You can see that Ike escaped it sometimes, but not others... I wonder if DI affects the throw at all?

Also, that looks like his down throw, not forward. I think you can see him using his forward throw other times.

If you pay close attention, Ike could break out of it at higher percents.

Assume like Melee, certain chain grabs only work between certain percents.


But yeah, it could just be that Ike is too slow to escape.

[Hydde]

I hope it doesnt affect everybody the same way :S.....

that chainthrow on Ike in the bridge of eldin = the gayzor.

[Hukuzo]

Yes, the easy ring out in Bridge of Eden was ridiculous.

[Layupfreak]

its awsome i know.

[Psychoace]

Guess we have our first chain grab combo of the game.

[Pyr0]

In M3 and M4 videos, Ike learns to DI out of it and does so numerous amount of times, so don't count on it being a sure-fire chainthrow.

Dedede does look quite nice ^_^

[Little_England]

I got soo excited to see this. I hope he can do it to lightweights also

[True Fool]

I do not want to see more chain-throwing. It's too effective. Obnoxious damage building, simple combo starter. It's an easy to learn skill, easier to use, and way too effective. I'm hoping K.DDD's down throw gains some lag, or some knock-back.

[Little_England]

We will probably learn how to escape it once the game is out, or be able to DI out of it better. Who knows

[kackamee]

it's kinda like the IC chaingrab no way to get out except dun get grabbed

Remember: IC chaingrab FTW

[Alondite]

Agreed. Chainthrowing should b axed altogether. It's a far to simple way to rack up damage, and there's nothing your opponent can do about it until a certain point....when they are about to be KO'd. I don't want to win by using cheap tactics like that, and it totally kills the balance, breaks the game, and makes it unfun, especially for the player on the recieving end.

[icraq]

This isn't a debate about the ethics of chain grabbing. True Fool, Alondite, it's not very kind to come into another person's post and try to hijack the subject.
Fact of the matter is, this is likely the final game engine in the video, chaingrabbing will always exist, and it's obvious this chaingrab isn't that bad since it seems Ike begins doing better against it in later matches.
Upon watching the other videos, it seems this chaingrab is only possible due to bad DI, and doesn't seem to be a guaranteed tactic. Still, it makes DeDeDe look freaking awesome.

[KoopaKoot]

Still, it makes DeDeDe look freaking awesome.

I agree. Nice to see some advanced gameplay already. Dedede looks like the best big character.

[ChRed2AKrisp]

i don't know when, but ike can get out really early on, you see his shield come up. if the c-stick auto rolls you'll be able to get out of this the same way fox could get out of falco's dthrow, hold shiled and -stick away or down.

[PyroRyuken]

I was hoping chaingrabbing would not be in brawl, and someone already found a way to chaingrab with a heavy character, lol. Anyways, Dedede looks pretty good.

[Little_England]

Just don't get grabbed people. The new IC? XD

[WoodyWiggins]

Dude, DeDeDe's chaingrab is sick! It really looks soild ( in the Bowser vid at least ). Question!, throughout the Bowser vid, Penguin (DeDeDe) seems to dash backwards in a stylish manner. I thought is just his back dodge, however close to the end of the fight, he does it foward. So um . . . Anyone knows what's going on? I'd hate to kill a kitty by mentioning Wave******. . .

[Jeff Highwind]

Despite the complaints seen here, Penguin Stomp's gonna be the core of DDD's game. His FSmash may be a unholy abomination but it comes out slow and is really predictable. In all the DDD vs (opponent) vids, you see him chain grab until he gets the chance to either Back Throw or the Final Smash.

I'm guessing the best way to fight against DDD is to choose your arena wisely. Platforms and uneven terrain would make good for getting around his Waddle Dee spam and grabs, leaving him to his weaker hammer hits or any other strategy they may use.

[toga]

I love de de de but that chaing thow looks like u can tech roll or di out of it after a while

[coldkilla30]

the throw is obviously gonna be his crutch being a slow character and all but i wanna see someone do something to link it to another move(possibly a finishing move) since you can probably DI out of it after a certain amount of damage.

BTW is double stick DI in the game ?

[craiigg]

this works against kirby too, so it may not only work for heavys

ikki does it against T2 in some vids that were on youtube/brawlcentral

[W.Jr]

most likely he can chain grab

[RedMage8BT]

Are Bowser and DK bigger in this game? They make Dedede look small.

[C-PO]

sorry to be off topic about the chain grab, but what did DDD do at 1:08? is that a roll? seems like there was no animation and he just side stepped to the other side of ike.

[Beab]

I hope it works on most people. It's a really unique chain grab.

[choknater]

Agreed. Chainthrowing should b axed altogether. It's a far to simple way to rack up damage, and there's nothing your opponent can do about it until a certain point....when they are about to be KO'd. I don't want to win by using cheap tactics like that, and it totally kills the balance, breaks the game, and makes it unfun, especially for the player on the recieving end.Welcome to smashboards.

No johns.

[Yamer]

While playing it with trevyn I tried it and it is good for some percent but isn't really that bad when you look at how melee's chaingrabs are. After like 2-3 throws they are off the edge and can just up-b to sweet spot.

[Lgndknight]

Good. Dedede is shaping up to be the best heavy character. thats saying something too.

[Yamer]

nm on not too good. you can infinite people if you have a wall! DDD is pretty rape :P

[yolky]

The more you see things like these, the more it looks like DeDeDe's an anti-heavy character.

[icraq]

The more you see things like these, the more it looks like DeDeDe's an anti-heavy character.

Untrue. I've used it against Peach and it works, too. He's just anti-everyone.