So Wario's down+B attack can be charged for 110 seconds...

[smasher32]

Thats 1 minute, 50 seconds. Anyone else think that is a little hilarious/ridiculous? How are we going to charge up that move for so long? What other impressions do you guys have about that?

Source: http://brawlcentral.com/ (has lots of other information, so don't go to it if you don't want to be spoiled)

[Deception]

We don't actually hold down the button. We have to wait that long until his fart is that big. Seems like the fart will be a situational kill move, it apparently kills around 115%, I think.

[Warlock*G]

115%? That's it? Anybody knows around what percentage a smash attack kills in Brawl?

[Gerudo Warrior]

d's kills mario at like %27.... i think it is something like that...... d has am INSANE forward smash..............

[Deception]

115%? That's it? Anybody knows around what percentage a smash attack kills in Brawl?


Well, it's actually 104% on Mario. But I don't Wario is meant to be a power character. His speed is listed as normal, yet he is heavy. So I think he will be of normal strength as well.

[Archenyte]

I think the Wario waft would be used more for mindgames and preventing your foe from getting too close rather than trying to kill hem all the time with it.

To charge the Wario Waft, you just never use it for that much time.

[Warlock*G]

Well that's cute, but I call BS on this one. I mean. Not about the Waft, but about the supposedly "3 best" Wario's got.

Let's see...

Wario's "best" KOs at 105%.

Mario can KO at 103%, while Fox & Sheik still got up smashes that can KO at 89% or such.

*Wario is supposed to be strong*! Or at least stronger than Mario. Then you're telling me he can't KO under 105%, and that's probably in the case of a normal weight character?! What the hell?

Is that the guy shoulder bashing people into next week? Picking up stuff three times larger than himself? His strength is supposed to rival Bowser's and DK's!

[Quinntendo]

Thats 1 minute, 50 seconds. Anyone else think that is a little hilarious/ridiculous? How are we going to charge up that move for so long? What other impressions do you guys have about that?

Source: http://brawlcentral.com/ (has lots of other information, so don't go to it if you don't want to be spoiled)

I think we'll manage, he has plenty of other attacks to fill in the gaps. Speaking of 110, you have 110 posts. Weird.

[Warlock*G]

I looove your signature Quinn.

On topic: I looked on Brawl Central a little more, and I found another reason to feel "uneasy". Wario is listed as heavy and Yoshi is listed as normal weight. However, they also got a weight list that shows Yoshi as being heavier than Wario... what the hell.

[Warlock*G]

I looove your signature Quinn.

On topic: I looked on Brawl Central a little more, and I found another reason to feel "uneasy". Wario is listed as heavy and Yoshi is listed as normal weight. However, they also got a weight list that shows Yoshi as being heavier than Wario... what the hell.

[Quinntendo]

I looove your signature Quinn.

On topic: I looked on Brawl Central a little more, and I found another reason to feel "uneasy". Wario is listed as heavy and Yoshi is listed as normal weight. However, they also got a weight list that shows Yoshi as being heavier than Wario... what the hell.

Thanks, I think it's a great quote.

On Topic - Wario is a man of mystery my dude. Nobody knows his true secrets. Thursday will tell all.

[Quinntendo]

I looove your signature Quinn.

On topic: I looked on Brawl Central a little more, and I found another reason to feel "uneasy". Wario is listed as heavy and Yoshi is listed as normal weight. However, they also got a weight list that shows Yoshi as being heavier than Wario... what the hell.

Thanks, I think it's a great quote.

On Topic - Wario is a man of mystery my dude. Nobody knows his true secrets. Thursday will tell all.

[paralasalud]

there's speculation that his bite attack speeds up the charge.
i hope it does.

because the info given said that wario TAKES 6% damage and no knockback.
but why would be bother if dodging a projectile was just as easy?
if we wanted to eat a projectile we'd want it to RECOVER 6%.

so anyway that's the dilemma.

[rykall]

Well that's cute, but I call BS on this one. I mean. Not about the Waft, but about the supposedly "3 best" Wario's got.

Let's see...

Wario's "best" KOs at 105%.

Mario can KO at 103%, while Fox & Sheik still got up smashes that can KO at 89% or such.

*Wario is supposed to be strong*! Or at least stronger than Mario. Then you're telling me he can't KO under 105%, and that's probably in the case of a normal weight character?! What the hell?

Is that the guy shoulder bashing people into next week? Picking up stuff three times larger than himself? His strength is supposed to rival Bowser's and DK's!

I remember reading on BrawlCentral, that they said: 'This is without charged smash attacks.'

So, I think they didn't used the fully charged WarioWaft.

[S2]

Well that's cute, but I call BS on this one. I mean. Not about the Waft, but about the supposedly "3 best" Wario's got.

Let's see...

Wario's "best" KOs at 105%.

Mario can KO at 103%, while Fox & Sheik still got up smashes that can KO at 89% or such.

*Wario is supposed to be strong*! Or at least stronger than Mario. Then you're telling me he can't KO under 105%, and that's probably in the case of a normal weight character?! What the hell?

Is that the guy shoulder bashing people into next week? Picking up stuff three times larger than himself? His strength is supposed to rival Bowser's and DK's!

A characters killing potential goes much deeper than simply the numbers their smash attacks kill at.


Much like how in Melee, Samus undermined what she was supposed to naturally die at via good DI and awesome recovery skills.

As for the waft... if you fully charge it than it should be an instant kill at any percent. 2 minutes, seriously.

[Warlock*G]

A characters killing potential goes much deeper than simply the numbers their smash attacks kill at.


Much like how in Melee, Samus undermined what she was supposed to naturally die at via good DI and awesome recovery skills.

As for the waft... if you fully charge it than it should be an instant kill at any percent. 2 minutes, seriously.

I understand what you mean Stu, but I still find it weird that Wario seems to have less "raw power" than Mario. It's not about killing potential for me, it's about brute strength. Look at him! Even in the SSE, he's lifting up a gun larger than himself, *plus a trophy*, like it's nothing!

Shouldn't he be hitting at least harder than Mario?

On the other hand, I noticed Wario's classed just above Ike in term of weight... and Ike got invincibility frames during some of his attacks because he's a heavy character, so that can only bode well for my favorite little greedy *******.

[Zant3tsuken]

Wario's moves look like they come out quite fast. Or is that suddenly.
lol

[W.Jr]

that move is pretty insane

[KmezzLIGHTNING]

even if wario isnt a hard hitter, he's going to be hard to send flying from being so condensed and fat. His attacks seem really quick.

[ikeuser9720]

I noticed that Wario jumps when he farts. Could the wario waft be used for recovery?

[paralasalud]

I noticed that Wario jumps when he farts. Could the wario waft be used for recovery?

yeah, that was the general consensus after the snake dialogue with wario.

[rykall]

Well, what if you're WarioMan and the match has lasted longer then 110 seconds...?


Atomic Fart FTW!

[NESSBOUNDER]

The good thing about Wario Waft is the fact that it comes out REALLY QUICKLY and has a MASSIVE hitbox. Even if it's not a great KO move, it hits very hard for something so fast and huge.

Wario can suicide off the top of the screen if you don't use it properly though. Lol.

As for super armor, I would be very surprised if Wario didn't have any. I mean, even LUCAS has super armor frames on his up smash, and you know that he's not exactly a "heavy" character.

Does Wario have any very slow, powerful attacks that could be contenders for super armor?

EDIT: The super armor on Lucas's up smash may not exist at all, actually. They haven't been able to replicate it yet, so it was probably just a mistake. :ohwell: Nevertheless, super armor has already been found on Wario's Fsmash.

[UBSmashPrez]

The good thing about Wario Waft is the fact that it comes out REALLY QUICKLY and has a MASSIVE hitbox. Even if it's not a great KO move, it hits very hard for something so fast and huge.

Wario can suicide off the top of the screen if you don't use it properly though. Lol.

As for super armor, I would be very surprised if Wario didn't have any. I mean, even LUCAS has super armor frames on his up smash, and you know that he's not exactly a "heavy" character.

Does Wario have any very slow, powerful attacks that could be contenders for super armor?

I'll try it out, but it's unlikely. Most of Wario's attacks are not strong. His Up aerial is decent for damage, his forward smash and tilt are ok for killing at around 100-120%, and his down smash is one of the more powerful ones but the lag after the move is really really bad.

[Warlock*G]

That's exactly the prerequisite for super armor. Horrible lag, just like Ike when he finishes one of his moves (can't remember which one). So maybe that's it... if not, well it's too bad.

[Warlock*G]

Don't know if anyone noticed the lil message I posted when I edited the "Wario videos" topic, but Wario got at least one super armored move: his shoulder bash/forward smash. Go watch the 12th video, "vs Link", at 4:14, and you'll see that Wario, while tackling, doesn't flinch when Link hits him with his down-air.

Edit: and what's better, that super armor takes effect at the *beginning* of the move, before Wario actually lunges forward, which means he's protected from knockback and can hit his opponent with his most powerful KO move, no matter what.

[NESSBOUNDER]

That is awesome. That's exactly the sort of super armor move that I've been looking for on a character.

[Kevin]

Have to be careful with the down-b. I killed myself once when I tried to use it on someone mid-air, as my guy just flew out of the stage.

[Blue sHell]

Actually guys if your Waft isn't killing at 100% and lower that means your not hitting with it the right way.

The misconception with the Wario Waft is that to get the KO you need to be next to them. No....

Sure if you're next to Wario you'll get a fair amount of the knockback and damage, but the REAL EARLY way it kills is if you short hop and fart directly onto your opponent's head(like a down air), or if you're opponent is in the way of you rising after you're blown upwards from the Waft.

This is an awesome KO move, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Also his FowardSmash is a GREAT KO move, it has freaking super armor and comes out super fast. Come on now.

And about you guys comparing Wario's strength to other characters like Mario, know that Wario is a beast at killing. Also know that I'm taking DI'ing into consideration unlike that stuff posted on BrawlCentral where it has kill %s listed.

[Warlock*G]

And about you guys comparing Wario's strength to other characters like Mario, know that Wario is a beast at killing. Also know that I'm taking DI'ing into consideration unlike that stuff posted on BrawlCentral where it has kill %s listed.

The guys comparing... I guess that means me. Well, I posted that some time ago and now that I've read what you posted, I can honestly say that I've been worrying for nothing.

[Blue sHell]

The guys comparing... I guess that means me. Well, I posted that some time ago and now that I've read what you posted, I can honestly say that I've been worrying for nothing.

It's understandable. Before I played him I thought he'd be a slower Mario with gimicks for moves. I had no interest in him. But then I saw what a powerhouse he is AND a combo ***** AND he's relatively fast.
Like I said on my thread though, his blaringly obvious weakness is his range. I think he's the most close range character in the game.