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technomancer
01-19-2008, 10:22 PM
I'm trying to compile a list of the greatest matches of all time for a video I'm putting together; any epic events in the history of SSBM should go here, recent or otherwise. Links would be great but 90% of this stuff is on YouTube so I can just search it up.

A few examples of what I'm looking for:
Taj and Forward vs. Ken and Isai (The First set that Ken and Isai ever lost as a team, including invisible ceiling glitch)
Ken vs. PC Chris, both sets of MLG finals
Ken vs. Bombsoldier
in fact Ken vs. Anyone awesome (Azen, Neo, etc)
Mango vs. M2k
Shiz vs. Chu, Forward, M2K, etc.
Darkrain vs. Forward and PC

Anything like that that you can remember.

Reese
01-19-2008, 10:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tMO0bo1HnY -Isai vs. Ken. Epic match with shifting momentum. Every KO is awesome. Check it out.

OffTheChain
01-20-2008, 02:18 AM
Good times, good times.

Bailey
02-01-2008, 07:58 AM
G$$$ Vs. 8 Year Old Kirby player that 4 stocked him at a weekly. G$$$ Simply couldn't get out once the Kirby player Neutral B'd in the middle of the stage and walked off.

C@sH Mooney
02-01-2008, 09:03 AM
G$$$ Vs. 8 Year Old Kirby player that 4 stocked him at a weekly. G$$$ Simply couldn't get out once the Kirby player Neutral B'd in the middle of the stage and walked off.

are u fcking joking me, when did that happen?

TelpeFion
02-01-2008, 09:19 AM
Well obviously this, being the best match ever, has to be on (Nihonjin vs. Ek, RoS3 winners finals, match 7 out of 7):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFGVy0aZWVc

Also, what is in my opinion the best teams match ever, from TG6, winners finals I think, Ken & Isai vs. Azen & Wes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz5zPfUXEws

Dopey
02-01-2008, 10:33 AM
y has no one put up the match of ken/isai vs pc/king at mlg chicago(i think it was) where isai came back like 3 stock on rainbow cruise? that match was too good!

im too lazy to link i jus woke up =(

Zodiac
02-01-2008, 11:04 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rJjt71E_WNY

It is a thing of beauty

http://www.halavideo.com/evo+east+2007+ssbm-vIdEoWowKCUQX4v4.html
And this one just flat out proves and M2K is an F*cking genius

Showbiz
02-01-2008, 11:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDct35L-Jis is much better than those boring Marth vs Fox fights.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJWax3gu5qo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luWGvfjSW_4

Masamune best in world.

Hylian
02-01-2008, 04:02 PM
FastLikeTree vs Chillindude fox Dittos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iDoaf483NY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P0up8pHmr8

flame6753
02-01-2008, 07:15 PM
Best falco ditto ever - http://youtube.com/watch?v=pExX8bBqKL8

Black_jo
02-03-2008, 02:43 AM
y has no one put up the match of ken/isai vs pc/king at mlg chicago(i think it was) where isai came back like 3 stock on rainbow cruise? that match was too good!

im too lazy to link i jus woke up =(

yeah and you should also put the five matches between ken and isai in 2005 when isai won the set. This **** was too good

Midnight_Ang3l
02-04-2008, 08:57 AM
I saw a match with Ken vs. pc chris. Kewn was winning on Kirby's Dreamland and pc chris came back and won. It was a great match. I have a good memory myself at a local gaming lan center tournament. Playing some MLG kids that showed up GG and some other team. One was playing as Marth (who doesn't?) and the other Zelda. I was Link and partner Zelda. Partner got knocked out like immediately so me vs two MLG kids. I had 2 in my stock and they both had 3. I completely knocked out one guy and left the other with one life although they beat me. aahh good times.

Sensai
02-04-2008, 09:35 AM
Masashi v Cpt. Jack in a Ganon ditto.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biiRBEAhYL4

The first stock is INCREDIBLE. The rest of the match can't keep up, but really...the match is worth seeing just for the first stock.

BACH
02-04-2008, 10:47 AM
i'll go through my archives - i think i have the original tapes from a few of those...

theLEMON
02-04-2008, 02:37 PM
rofl the random mlg kids were me and viperboy :)

UMBC Super Smasher
02-04-2008, 03:25 PM
Mango vs M2K is probably the greatest match I've seen. Not a very flashy set, but M2K was shut down by a jigglypuff even on his counterpick stage.

shadydentist
02-04-2008, 03:38 PM
Mew2king vs pc chris at evo east

Midnight_Ang3l
02-04-2008, 03:44 PM
rofl the random mlg kids were me and viperboy :)
Dude it is pretty epic how we just now met up here on the boards lol. You coming to the Feb. tourny?

Young Danny
02-04-2008, 04:59 PM
The greatest set I saw in person (outside of PC Chris vs. Ken MLG New York April 2006 and Ken v. Isai at MOAST 3 in January 2005) was easily the Ken vs. Azen series of MLG's playoffs in New York October 2007

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7c_lfhU4yWc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xLr_hL9NdqA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yUa68f21UWo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uWKx_e1M7fs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YJ6rGVkkkWE


My second favorite was Ken v. KDJ at MLG's Championship in Las Vegas in November 2006.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SU2U7arsZ80
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WpSBcoad3nU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hjp5T2o0sCI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=F8ejRCpMlBc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7LGIyOJRP7E

BTW- Omnigamer, Wife, and M3D were my favorite commentators (in that order)

choknater
02-04-2008, 05:10 PM
Ken vs Isai match 4 at MOAST 3

one of the most viewed ssbm matches on youtube

really epitomizes top pro level play, even in the early days of smash

tide turns many times

creative combos

really amazing stuff

CogSmooch
02-04-2008, 05:29 PM
I second the KDJ vs Ken @ MLG Vegas matches... especially this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LGIyOJRP7E

Young Danny
02-04-2008, 07:32 PM
The greatest set I saw in person (outside of PC Chris vs. Ken MLG New York April 2006 and Ken v. Isai at MOAST 3 in January 2005) was easily the Ken vs. Azen series of MLG's playoffs in New York October 2007

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7c_lfhU4yWc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xLr_hL9NdqA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yUa68f21UWo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uWKx_e1M7fs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YJ6rGVkkkWE


My second favorite was Ken v. KDJ at MLG's Championship in Las Vegas in November 2006.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SU2U7arsZ80
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WpSBcoad3nU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hjp5T2o0sCI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=F8ejRCpMlBc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7LGIyOJRP7E

BTW- Omnigamer, Wife, and M3D were my favorite commentators (in that order)

*Edit*

Choknater- somewhere (on the hub or youtube) exists a live recording of teams finals (zulu and rob$ vs. ken and isai) losers finals (caveman v. ken) and the grand finals (isai v. ken). The crowd reaction always make me have goosebumps.

I still have not experienced a feeling of awe as I did that night. Never has a Capt. Falcon played better. On the other hand, never have I experienced a feeling of my heart being taken for a ride as I did in that Ken v. Azen series.

choknater
02-04-2008, 07:46 PM
oh wow i would LOVE to see the live recording.

CogSmooch
02-05-2008, 10:39 AM
yeah no kidding... someone plz post it to youtube or give a link or something...
edit: what tournament was that from?

Young Danny
02-05-2008, 10:56 AM
yeah no kidding... someone plz post it to youtube or give a link or something...
edit: what tournament was that from?

It was MOAST 3. Check the older member's profile on the HUB (I bet they have it). If not, pm me that you cannot find it, then I will PM someone who I know had it, but might not now.

CogSmooch
02-05-2008, 11:04 AM
I'm at work so no hub for me :(

araknophobik
02-05-2008, 03:14 PM
MOAST 3 ken vs isai
KDJ vs Ken MLG championship

Ken vs DSF TG6 (this sparked alot of stuff in socal) =]

Area365
02-05-2008, 03:25 PM
I'm trying to compile a list of the greatest matches of all time for a video I'm putting together; any epic events in the history of SSBM should go here, recent or otherwise. Links would be great but 90% of this stuff is on YouTube so I can just search it up.

A few examples of what I'm looking for:
Taj and Forward vs. Ken and Isai (The First set that Ken and Isai ever lost as a team, including invisible ceiling glitch)
Ken vs. PC Chris, both sets of MLG finals
Ken vs. Bombsoldier
in fact Ken vs. Anyone awesome (Azen, Neo, etc)
Mango vs. M2k
Shiz vs. Chu, Forward, M2K, etc.
Darkrain vs. Forward and PC

Anything like that that you can remember.

While maybe not technically the best, the most significant matches in the history of Smash were IMO the following:

Note: For the record, I love looking at legacies and the legacy of competitive Melee I find very interesting. I haven't posted in years, but so many seem to forget the real matches that started the competitive scene.

Preface:
Every story has a beginning. The Smash tourney scene has had a long and illustrious history, with literally thousands of players from all over testing their will and their skill at this competitive fighting game. With SSBB finally here, let’s take a look back at the three most significant fights in the history of Super Smash Bros. Melee.

Tournament Go 4: Sam vs. Ken
January 12, 2003
Sephiroth Ken caused a huge surprise by stopping the previously unbeaten Sultan of Samitude in the first superfight in the history of competitive Super Smash Bros. Melee.

Before the MLGs, the FCs, and the GSs, there was only one tournament to truly prove your mettle: The semi-annual Tournament Go series of California. The 4th installment of the Tournament Go series became the venue for the first true superfight in Smash history: Southern California’s Sultan of Samitude versus Northern California’s Sephiroth Ken.

The Sultan of Samitude had a brash personality, an arrogant smile – and a serious knack for competitive Melee. Possessing agile fingers and a penchant for aggression, Sam’s in-your-face Falco was revolutionary in Smash terms. Utilizing stunning lasers, short-hop spikes, and a primitive form of shuffling, Sam tallied wins at two consecutive Southern California tournaments, including stopping the TG3 champion Recipherus in a tournament final. Few thought that anyone on the current Smash scene could even threaten Sam.

The relatively unknown Sephiroth Ken, who led a small Northern California crew called the Elite Four, first garnered attention by frustrating a traveling Southern California crew. Ken defeated the entire crew, including Recipherus and TG host Matt Deezie, with relative ease in a series of exhibition matches. As a direct result of these victories and Ken’s invitation to TG4, Sam called out Ken for a pre-tourney money match. The battle was to be the first hyped fight, before a live audience, ever.

The match-up between newcomer Sephiroth Ken and the brazen Sultan of Samitude was a battle of significant proportions. A video game rivalry morphed into a summit meeting between two unbeaten, rising stars at the biggest tournament available. Sam versus Ken became something special.

Unlike many money fights that followed, there seemed to be a real hostility between the combatants. The young Sam lashed out at Ken in a verbal assault on the Smashboards online forum. Ken, modest and silent, returned this trash-talk with very little.

The pre-fight analysis was exhausting, but many Smash sages picked Sam to lose the early matches and rally to defeat Ken overall. Picking Sam as the favorite only fueled the player’s ever-growing ego. On the day of the fight, the Sultan of Samitude arrived brimming with confidence.

Before a capacity crowd at the house of Matt Deezie, Sam battled Ken. Despite Sam’s controlled aggression, Ken dominated the match. Sam would have his moments, backing Ken’s Marth up with short aerials and spikes. Ken’s relentless dash grabs and juggling, however, prevented Sam from ever getting inside on Ken for too long. Ken defeated Sam in a best-of-7 set, knocking Sam out 4-1.

Ken had begun his road to greatness, following this victory by winning Tournament Go 4 and the California Title. A complacent Sam, placing third, now respected and admired the new champion. Ken would continue to dominate for years to come, but this match was the first significant step in his storied Smash career.

Ha-Ha You Lose Presents - Game Over: Azen vs. Ken
January 9, 2004
No questioning that Sephiroth Ken is the best Smash player in the nation after his close yet clean victory over the talented Azen Zagenite.

This was it – Ha Ha You Lose (H2YL) versus the Elite Four, California versus Virginia, East Coast versus West Coast. When Azen Zagenite and Sephiroth Ken finally met, months after they first might have, it was a pre-ordained watershed - for Azen, the opportunity to gain the respect and admiration of the nationwide Smash community; for Ken, a chance to cement his legacy by silencing the skeptics. Because of the coastal rivalry, the dominance of both fighters, and their respective fan bases, Azen vs. Ken carried a lot of weight on the Smash tourney scene.

Sephiroth Ken held an unparalled and impressive record – nearly half a dozen straight tournament victories against a single loss. Unquestionably the top-rated Smash player in the nation, many considered Ken to be downright invincible - except H2YL.

Azen Zagenite was – hands-down – the best player on the East Coast. He led H2YL, the most successful crew within his realm. He dominated players from the streets of New York City to the hills of North Carolina. Furthermore, Azen became the first player to diversify – to play various characters at a tournament level and still succeed.

One thing he couldn’t do, however, was command the respect of the West Coast Smash community. In his first journey to California, Azen competed in Tournament Go 5. He finished 4th, after losing a controversial match against the popular Isai. Out of the top 3 and out of the money, Azen felt slighted.

H2YL Presents – Game Over gave Azen another chance to prove himself. His tournament. His rule set. His turf. His time to shine. Sephiroth Ken, along with Isai, Sam, and a few other West Coast players, agreed to travel to Virginia to compete at Game Over. Thus, the stage was set for the most important match in Smash history.

Doubt and controversy arose, however. Chillin, a young, loud talent from H2YL, upset Ken and sent him to the loser’s bracket. Showing a true champion’s grit, Ken rallied to win all his next matches against the best players in the game. Meanwhile, Azen went undefeated in his ascent to the finals.

Ousted from the original venue due to time constraints, the top contenders and dozens of others journeyed to Azen’s home for the finals. When Azen and Ken arrived at the tournament’s end, everyone gave a collective sigh of relief. Finally, Azen vs. Ken was on.

The match began tentatively, a battle of wits. Azen, the consummate counter-puncher, feinted, dashed, and dodged to get inside Marth’s reach, but Ken proved too tough. Finding some success in a Marth vs. Marth ditto match, Azen actually forced Ken to switch characters to Captain Falcon, leading to some quite explosive rounds. Nevertheless, Ken won the majority of the opening stanzas and sent Azen to the loser’s bracket.

From this point on, Azen cycled through his endless list of characters. From Peach to Samus, Azen tried desperately to find a solid answer to Ken’s Marth. In the end though, Ken managed to hold Azen off and claim victory in Azen’s own home.

The tournament over, their match completed, and history served, Sephiroth Ken emerged the victor. Azen Zagenite, despite the loss, did not disgrace himself in the fight. Though there could only be a sole winner, Ken and Azen both climbed to the top of the heap and proved they were the absolute best in the business.

Tournament Go 6: Azen vs. Jack
August 22, 2004
Azen Zagenite in a round-by-round struggle defeats Japanese national champion Captain Jack to claim the title as the first undisputed SSBM world champion.

The last match of any real significance, on the world scale, came at the swansong of the Smash community’s most famous tournament. Matt Deezie’s Tournament Go series practically defined the Smash community and was the first world-ranging Smash series ever. The final installment of the legendary series reached far-and-wide for the best players in the world.

For TG’s farewell, Matt Deezie decided to do something never before accomplished. Deezie invited the most well-known and arguably best Japanese player, Captain Jack, to Tournament Go 6. With Jack’s presence, along with players from the Netherlands, Canada, England, and other places throughout Europe, TG6 promised to crown the first ever world SSBM champion.

Captain Jack’s attendance meant new things for the Smash community. A Japanese player had crossed over to test himself against the rest of the world. Though certainly possessing experience and undeniable talent, Captain Jack’s ethnicity gave him an aura of invincibility. Captain Jack had mystique and intrigue written all over him.

In contrast, to many Azen Zagenite was already an open-and-shut case. While the community respected him, Azen always lived in the shadow of Ken. Azen had lost to Ken at Game Over, and then subsequently lost to Ken again at MELEE-FC. People understood at the time that Azen was an astounding player, just not the best out there.

As the world gathered in California, thousands of others logged on to Smashboards to receive up-to-the-minute results straight from the tournament. Anyone ever interested in competitive smash, or with knowledge of Smashboards’ existence, followed TG6. With so many spectators, many predicted the indomitable Sephiroth Ken would be left standing in the end.

A shock to many, then, when Ken was defeated twice and placed out of the top ten.

Ken’s loss set the stage for a miraculous main event. Both defeating high-caliber players in Chu Dat and Sastopher (the latter of which eliminated Ken), Captain Jack and Azen Zagenite saw themselves facing off. In perhaps the most cerebral match ever played at the world-class level, Jack and Azen edge-dashed and chain-grabbed their way through a see-saw battle. Each player took a set from the other, but Azen’s Marth eventually prevailed over Jack’s Doctor Mario.

Azen Zagenite had the career-defining fight of his life. However fleeting, Azen finally got the Smash world to acknowledge his greatness. Japan was undefeatable no longer. At long last, there was one undisputed SSBM world champion. And surprise, surprise - that one was not Sephiroth Ken.


So there you have it. After that, MLG blew up the competitive smash scene. Before that, those matches were the most important matches: first superfight, first crowning of a national champion, first crowning of a world champion.

We've come a long way.

choknater
02-05-2008, 03:36 PM
Amazing post Area365. I applaud you.

Vro
02-05-2008, 09:50 PM
Great story Area365. A good history lesson I wanted to learn more about. Thanks for your story. =)

TelpeFion
02-06-2008, 12:06 PM
I pretty much agree with that list. To me TG6 will almost be the defining Melee tournament. Three amazing teams: KaI, Azen & Wes, and Crystal City. In singles Ken, Isai, Azen, Chu, Sastopher, DSF, Robfalco, Wes, CJ... To my knowledge the only Europeans present were The Doug, Mr Silver and Rune, were there any others?

The final sets were sort of dumb however. The rules allowed the loser of the previous match to counterpick both character AND stage, while the winner COULDN'T change characters between matches. Azen was beating CJ in Sheik dittos; CJ wouldn't chaingrab with Sheik. Then CJ would counter Azen's Sheik with Doc. Then Azen would counter CJ's Doc with Marth. Then CJ would counter Azen's Marth with Sheik. It became a counterpick war.

Later, in the MLG season finals in NYC, CJ and Azen agreed to play their set Sheik dittos only, with no chaingrabbing. CJ won this set 3-2, and it was extremely close from what I've heard.

CogSmooch
02-06-2008, 12:52 PM
Jiano's epic comeback against Chu @ pound 2... um link... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BWJ2bBlO1Q

FRSHSONX
02-08-2008, 01:58 AM
lol, there are some serious pwnage videos from these posts. awesome.

Mew2King
02-08-2008, 10:43 AM
Sheik counters Doc, not the other way around

BACH
02-08-2008, 11:13 AM
i'll dig up my Bombsoldier vs Ken matches - or are they allready online?

Mr P
02-08-2008, 11:14 AM
I pretty much agree with that list. To me TG6 will almost be the defining Melee tournament. Three amazing teams: KaI, Azen & Wes, and Crystal City. In singles Ken, Isai, Azen, Chu, Sastopher, DSF, Robfalco, Wes, CJ... To my knowledge the only Europeans present were The Doug, Mr Silver and Rune, were there any others?

The final sets were sort of dumb however. The rules allowed the loser of the previous match to counterpick both character AND stage, while the winner COULDN'T change characters between matches. Azen was beating CJ in Sheik dittos; CJ wouldn't chaingrab with Sheik. Then CJ would counter Azen's Sheik with Doc. Then Azen would counter CJ's Doc with Marth. Then CJ would counter Azen's Marth with Sheik. It became a counterpick war.

Later, in the MLG season finals in NYC, CJ and Azen agreed to play their set Sheik dittos only, with no chaingrabbing. CJ won this set 3-2, and it was extremely close from what I've heard.

Im not entirely sure what you mean by "the defining melee tournament" exactly but for it's time it was a pretty epic event, TG6 was probably the beginning of a new era of melee but i dont think by any standards that it was the defining tournament of this game. There have been soo many tournaments since then that have been far bigger with a much better level of competition that it's hard to look at TG6 say as being the defining tournament of Melee. I think TG6 was most significant because of firstly Captain Jacks appearance from Japan, he brought a lot of new techniques and strategies that had never been seen before and secondly the fall of Ken.

Also from what i remember of the matches between Azen and CJ, Azen beat CJ's doc quite often with his sheik and CJ also won vs Azens marth with his doc so i dont think it was quite as simple as they used x character to counter y etc. And yes you are right, those were the only 3 Europeans to go.

Sensai
02-09-2008, 06:02 PM
Area365, that post was amazing. Thanks for that.

Black_jo
02-09-2008, 07:59 PM
CJ wouldn't chaingrab with Sheik.

why not ?

Area365, that post was amazing. Thanks for that.

yeah. someone should make a movie about it.

TheManaLord
02-09-2008, 08:26 PM
the japs dont like cg

its DISHONOR in their culture