Is anyone disappointed we're not getting old Ike?

[Royd]

I mean, you'd think they would use this chance to promote the upcoming Fire Emblem by making people aware of older Ike. Older Ike can also provide other advantages like using an axe like Greil. Instead of a simple palette swap, they could make one Ike use a sword, while the other uses Greil's axe. I mean, you constantly hear people complain about the amount of sword users, why not have old Ike? Sure, his default weapon isn't an axe, but this is Smash Bros, NOT Fire Emblem. It doesn't matter what he uses. Plus, the guy is freaking HUGE in FE10.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2_H9KZWZeA

Check out that video to see old Ike in action. The video does contain spoilers though, so watch at your own risk. It's in Japanese, so you probably won't get too much out of it anyway.

[-Katsuta]

I mean, you'd think they would use this chance to promote the upcoming Fire Emblem by making people aware of older Ike. Older Ike can also provide other advantages like using an axe like Greil. Isn't of a simple palette swap, they could make one Ike use a sword, while the other uses Greil's axe. I mean, you constantly hear people complain about the amount of sword users, why not have old Ike? Sure, his default weapon isn't an axe, but this is Smash Bros, NOT Fire Emblem. It doesn't matter what he uses. Plus, the guy is freaking HUGE in FE10.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2_H9KZWZeA

Check out that video to see old Ike in action. The video does contain spoilers though, so watch at your own risk. It's in Japanese, so you probably won't get too much out of it anyway.
Uh, are you nuts?

In that video was the NEW Ike, using an actual sword.

I don't see what you are getting an Axe from.

If we are getting anybody with an Axe, it would be Hector.

[Protoguy]

By Old Ike he means Ike from FE10 who is older in age...

And Ike gets axes in FE 10...



Lern 2 FE plz...





And to answer the question, I'm just fine with young Ike although old Ike could make a cool costume.

[Lunadis]

I'm actually not too fond of the older Ike, but two things about the current Ike bother me.

One, his battle stance is wrong. Before you say "OMG UR SO DUMB IT DOESNT MATTER", Ike's battle stance actually has an impact on the plot. When you encounter certain characters, sometimes they recognize it and ask Ike questions, only to find out he is the son of General Gawain. This is even involved with recruiting a few characters. Other characters also question his battle stance as a Ranger because of how awkward yet effective it is. Though his stance in Brawl is pretty cool, it's just kind of odd that they wouldn't use either his Ranger stance or his Lord stance.

Lastly, I wish his Lord outfit was an option for those who prefer it. Again, it's only cosmetics so it's all right.

[Zevox]

I actually prefer Ike's Ranger outfit. His PoR Lord outfit is a bit better, but not enough that I miss it terribly. Either is preferable to his Radiant Dawn look though, at least in my opinion.

Zevox

[Royd]

Uh, are you nuts?

In that video was the NEW Ike, using an actual sword.

I don't see what you are getting an Axe from.

If we are getting anybody with an Axe, it would be Hector.

That's the FMV, but in game, he has the ability to use axes and swords.

Lunadis - That's true, but I think you're forgetting something. By the time FE10 happens, Ike is already famous throughout the land. He's no longer a shadow of his father. Ike's fighting skills have progressed further than his original abilities. Ike now memorializes his father by using his axe in battle as well.

[Lunadis]

Lunadis - That's true, but I think you're forgetting something. By the time FE10 happens, Ike is already famous throughout the land. He's no longer a shadow of his father. Ike's fighting skills have progressed further than his original abilities. Ike now memorializes his father by using his axe in battle as well.Oh, I haven't forgotten that. It was just saying I'd prefer that if they used the Ike from FE9, they'd have used either one of his stances from FE9. Like I said, it's only cosmetic so it doesn't exactly bother me. :P

[Marthgreil]

He is more based on FE10 Ike. FE10 Ike I heard had horrible speed.

[BokutoGuy]

to be honest im just glad hes in at all

[Ferro De Lupe]

I mean, you'd think they would use this chance to promote the upcoming Fire Emblem by making people aware of older Ike.

Michaiah would promote FE10 better than Ike.

Older Ike can also provide other advantages like using an axe like Greil. Instead of a simple palette swap, they could make one Ike use a sword, while the other uses Greil's axe. I mean, you constantly hear people complain about the amount of sword users, why not have old Ike?

Michaiah uses magic which also breaks away from the swords.

Sure, his default weapon isn't an axe, but this is Smash Bros, NOT Fire Emblem. It doesn't matter what he uses. Plus, the guy is freaking HUGE in FE10.

Magic is her (Michaiah) default so they won't have to change a thing about her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2_H9KZWZeA

Check out that video to see old Ike in action. The video does contain spoilers though, so watch at your own risk. It's in Japanese, so you probably won't get too much out of it anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfJlM2Sf5xg

Michaiah in action. Spoilers for RD. Also in Japanese.

[Zeela12]

Michaiah would promote FE10 better than Ike.



Michaiah uses magic which also breaks away from the swords.



Magic is her (Michaiah) default so they won't have to change a thing about her.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfJlM2Sf5xg

Michaiah in action. Spoilers for RD. Also in Japanese.

I completely agree, the problem is that Ike is much more popular (even though I hate him, can't change the facts).

[Ferro De Lupe]

I completely agree, the problem is that Ike is much more popular (even though I hate him, can't change the facts).

Although Ike IS more popular, Michaiah is also very popular. Besides, Ike in included already. Michaiah is the next best bet for a FE rep.

[WindGuru]

That's for the character board guys.

Ike here only.

Anyway, Ike seems to be a mixture of his FE9 and FE10 positions. Something about him reminds me of the powerhouse of FE10, yet he is obviously using a FE9 model.

[smashbot226]

Although Ike IS more popular, Michaiah is also very popular. Besides, Ike in included already. Michaiah is the next best bet for a FE rep.



Black Knight? Soren? Sothe?

I rest my case.

[Raptorbite]

Michaiah would promote FE10 better than Ike.



Michaiah uses magic which also breaks away from the swords.



Magic is her (Michaiah) default so they won't have to change a thing about her.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfJlM2Sf5xg

Michaiah in action. Spoilers for RD. Also in Japanese.

I'll admit I don't know anything about how she fights in the games, but your video of her "in action" only shows her doing one move, that took a while to cast or chant or w/e

She seems like she'd be a slow, frail, laggy magically-enhanced-A-moves smasher... AKA Zelda.

[Lunadis]

Black Knight? Soren? Sothe?

I rest my case.I lol'd.

Yeah, Sothe is real popular. Everyone just loves the Jeigan who's unique ability can't even kill anyone and leaves them with 1 HP.

Not really.

Micaiah is far more popular than Black Knight. The majority of people who prefer Black Knight over Micaiah haven't even played Fire Emblem and just like him because he looks cool. While I full well acknowledge Black Knight could play very different from Ike, he could never ever offer anything that Micaiah can.

As for Soren, yeah, he has a lot of fans for a non-Lord character, but nothing compared to Ike or Micaiah.

[Homelessvagrant]

Black Knight? Soren? Sothe?

I rest my case.

what about Marth :confused:

but I see Ike as a combination of the two. however it justs seems to me they're taking more of FE10 for Ike than FE 9.

And Miciaih is obviously the more popular of FE characters.

[Lunadis]

I'll admit I don't know anything about how she fights in the games, but your video of her "in action" only shows her doing one move, that took a while to cast or chant or w/e

She seems like she'd be a slow, frail, laggy magically-enhanced-A-moves smasher... AKA Zelda.Actually, she'd probably be a staff wielder. Not a quarter-staff style like the tentative Krystal, but the staves we get in the Fire Emblem series;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz05IFpXlog

Now, even though Micaiah had a bond bonus, Zelda couldn't kill a dragon by clubbing it. :P

Considering Micaiah's lord status makes her a bit tougher than typical casters, I think that would transist to her being a bit tougher than she appears in Brawl. Nothing heavyweight, but somewhere close to Mario in weight. Her staff attacks would be moderate to fast in speed but deal little damage. I think her special abilities would be the light magic seen in game, possibly mixed in with status inflicting staff magic.

Though this is an Ike topic so I'll shush about it. :P

[Ferro De Lupe]

She seems like she'd be a slow, frail, laggy magically-enhanced-A-moves smasher... AKA Zelda

1) I posted that video to counter his...
2) She wouldn't 100% EXACTLY like that, genius.



As for the other argument...
Marth = Michaiah > Black Knight > Hector = Sigurd > Soren = Sothe [in terms of likelihood.]

Marth takes senority over them all with Michaiah right behind him beacuse she is an internationally popular Lady (which is the proper term for a female Lord) who is the star of the newest FE game and uses magic instead of a sword.

The Black Knight, I feel, is her only real competition simply because he is a reoccuring villian, has a major role in both games, and is very popular.

Soren isn't a Lord/villian which means he's automatically an unlikely addition, Sigurd only has the "fan-fave" title helping him, and Hector's only considered because he uses a weapon other than a sword.

Sothe has nothing working in his favor other than appearing in the newest FE as one of the secondary characters.





Now, enough of this. Take it to the Brawl discussion forum if you really want to continue it. This is Ike's forum, not Michaiah's, the Black Knights, Soren's, or anyone elses.

*Admits his own guilt for starting the discussion in the first place.*

[bluekitsune13]

That video of Radiant Dawn featuring Ike is pretty cool. I wish that combat in Fire Emblem was that fun. I have Path of Radiance, and played it. I got almost to the end, but I lost interest. To me, Fire Emblem isn't really that much fun. I like story driven games, but I usually get bored 2/3 of the way through if there is not enough action to tide me over.

Back on topic though, I do like the original Ike's look. The only weird thing, like people have mentioned is his stance. I liked that weird, awkward stance he had with the sword above his head. However, that sword he has in the game is the one special sword he gets in the end, if I remember correctly. That would mean that Ike should be in his "Lord" costume, instead of his "Ranger" costume. Meh, doesn't bother me. I still like him because he looks cool either way.

[MR.WIGZ]

I would prefer an axe wielder to be in brawl like hector...Marth is always a dependable option but not to many people know him outside of ssbm....



btw who is Micaiah??? (pic plz)



i cant find path of radiance around here...... :(

[Lunadis]

http://www.gamed.nl/messages/19816.jpgThat video of Radiant Dawn featuring Ike is pretty cool. I wish that combat in Fire Emblem was that fun. I have Path of Radiance, and played it. I got almost to the end, but I lost interest. To me, Fire Emblem isn't really that much fun. I like story driven games, but I usually get bored 2/3 of the way through if there is not enough action to tide me over.

Back on topic though, I do like the original Ike's look. The only weird thing, like people have mentioned is his stance. I liked that weird, awkward stance he had with the sword above his head. However, that sword he has in the game is the one special sword he gets in the end, if I remember correctly. That would mean that Ike should be in his "Lord" costume, instead of his "Ranger" costume. Meh, doesn't bother me. I still like him because he looks cool either way.Ike goes back to his Ranger outfit after the events of the game. Of course I won't reveal anything of the actual ending as not to spoil it, but it was a given based on how much he disliked nobility. :P

[Rakath]

http://www.fireemblemempire.com/media/gallery/albums/uploads/artwork/fe10/normal_unknown.jpg

Micaiah is one of the main 'lords' in Fire Emblem 10 (the other 3 are Ike, Queen Elincia, and Empress Sanaki).

However, FE10 has many chapters with very odd "Game Over" death characters. Neph and Brom for instance.

[SeriousWB]

Well I didn't know Marth at all before SSBM, and he became my favourite character EVAR.

[MR.WIGZ]

yea she should be in brawl she's got bigger boobs than Zamus

[Roy-Kun]

In my oppinion... Fire Emblem should be represented with swords-only characters...

I mean, the Icon is a sword (Falchion)! Well, not much of a reason but is what I think.

And old Ike? Nah, the first Ike is cool, the old one looks... scrapped.

[Rakath]

In my oppinion... Fire Emblem should be represented with swords-only characters...

I mean, the Icon is a sword (Falchion)! Well, not much of a reason but is what I think.

And old Ike? Nah, the first Ike is cool, the old one looks... scrapped.

I want more than just Sword users, a pity Berserkers aren't too important. While indeed out of 10 Fire Emblem games we have only about 5 Lords (I'm counting Hector even if he gains Swords after promotion, he mains Axes) that don't use swords. But that's still five wonderful options to add to the game. I'm expecting a majority off the FE reps being sword users, but a Lance/Axe/Magic user would be fine to even things out.

[Roy-Kun]

I want more than just Sword users, a pity Berserkers aren't too important. While indeed out of 10 Fire Emblem games we have only about 5 Lords (I'm counting Hector even if he gains Swords after promotion, he mains Axes) that don't use swords. But that's still five wonderful options to add to the game. I'm expecting a majority off the FE reps being sword users, but a Lance/Axe/Magic user would be fine to even things out.

If most of the FE reps are swords, i'm fine with that.

Anyways, Micaiah is a good option.

[Windlord]

I imagine they wanted to use FE9 Ike because it's possible that either Sothe or Micaiah were planned to represent FE10. Sothe would be nice cus he uses a knife not a sword, and he would be a speedy FE character that could be used when Ike's slowness doesn't prevail in 1v1.

I've alwasy thought Hector would be cool to have though since Ike is such a juggernaught i doubt they would put another slow powerful character in. I think that Nephenee would be awsome, a lance would be an interesting type of style to add to SSBB.

[Cronos_Rainbow]

I like how some of you guys seem to think Marth isn't particularly popular where Micaiah is apparently awesomely so. Marth has been protagonist in multiple FE games, not to mention the original hero. He has had anime, manga, cards and a large fan-base since before most of you even knew FE existed.

Ike is slow in Brawl despite his speed in FE:PoR - Roy also lacked godly all-around ability and ranged attacks he had in FE6. OoT Link used a boomerang in Melee. Anyway, Marth will very likely be playable, anything else is simply speculation (as is the marth comment I suppose). Try hoping for support characters if they don't get playable status - it's better than nothing ie. Lyndis.

As for topic, I'm actually happy with the way Ike is in Brawl from everything I've seen. It doesn't totally stay true to his PoR character, but it certainly gets the point across that it's Ike and not a Marth clone. I hope the costume changes are all decent enough, and that Lord costume is present in the final line-up.

[Repryx]

I just gotta say Smash Bros has always used character designs of the systems preceeding the one it is already on...thats why we get young Ike

[RWB]

Roy also lacked godly all-around ability and ranged attacks he had in FE6.

Roy was weak all-around, thanks to his late promotion(even at level 20/20, he doesn't beat FE7 Eliwoods stats). The only thing saving him was his overpowered sword.

[Windlord]

Roy was weak all-around, thanks to his late promotion(even at level 20/20, he doesn't beat FE7 Eliwoods stats). The only thing saving him was his overpowered sword.

Very true FE6 angered me becasue his promotion was so late, and I found myself protecting him with my good characters when he was at lvl 20. Melee Roy is uber.

[Roy-Kun]

Roy was weak all-around, thanks to his late promotion(even at level 20/20, he doesn't beat FE7 Eliwoods stats). The only thing saving him was his overpowered sword.

It depends, but actually Eliwood ended bad for me, while Roy ended good.

And Roy's sword saves him from being a bad character, too bad it only has 20 uses though, I see no use in that skill of recovery that Roy's blade has.

[MR.WIGZ]

It depends, but actually Eliwood ended bad for me, while Roy ended good.

And Roy's sword saves him from being a bad character, too bad it only has 20 uses though, I see no use in that skill of recovery that Roy's blade has.

i hate eliwood, i had more fun using lyn and hector

*eliwood attacks hector*
*no damage*
HAHAHAHA

[Repryx]

but Eliwood beat hector sparring

[MR.WIGZ]

when was this?

[error_alt_delete]

Hector for brawl!
and ya I think the reason we got younger Ike is because he was in PoR. and outside of japan nobody has gotten its sequal. so the younger Ike was used because more people know him.

[Lunadis]

when was this?First support conversation between Eliwood and Hector.

Hector : Ah, Eliwood! It's good to see you're still well!
Eliwood : Hm. You expected otherwise?
Hector : No, of course not. I knew you'd be fine.
Eliwood : Hector, wait for a moment. What did you want?
Hector : Nothing. It's enought to see that you live and are still fighting.
Just wanted to make sure you weren't overdoing it with me not around.
Eliwood : I should say the same to you.
Hector : Me? Don't worry about me. I'm fine. I'm built though, you know. A
little too much is just enough for me. But you, you've never been a hardy
one, Eliwood. Nor are you used to travel. Go on too long, and you'll
collapse.
Eliwood : We're all weaklings compared to you, Hector. ...Thankfully, wars are
not won by strength alone, eh? We've been sparring once very two months
since we were twelve, and of 30 matches, 14 I won, 12 I lost, and 4 were
draws.
Hector : Erh? I think not! I recall 31 matches-- an even 13-13 split, with 5
draws.
Eliwood : Yes, well, you recall wrong. I'm in the right.
Hector : Hmph. And what makes you so certain?
Eliwood : Whose snoring was it that shook the rafters in numbers class?
Hector : Ah, good point.
Eliwood : ...Still, I'm touched you were worried about me. Now, back to the
fray!
Hector : Hey, wait! ...Blast.

[Alondite]

I know I am. Vanguard Ike is FE10 is absolutely godly, and his design is awesome. Why they didn't use that version is beyond me.