Smashboards Mini-Recreates: The SSB Series Rosters

[Northsouthmap]

1. Mewtwo
2. King Dedede
3. Issac

Roy (Fire Emblem)
The franchise needs another rep due to Marth being in 64.

 

[nirvanafan]

Lip
Goroh
Dedede

Foreman Spike (Render by Nibroc)

Know we already have lots of Mario characters but I consider Wrecking Crew its own thing. Fireballs replaced by hammers.

 

[Louie G.]

1. King Dedede - My favorite Nintendo character and my Smash main. Aside from just making a lot of sense, it's pretty much my sworn duty to try and get him in here as quickly as possible.
2. Mewtwo - My nomination, I stand by what I wrote up about them initially. It's just the next practical step for Pokemon.
3. Lip - Now you're speaking my language. Great choice and a suitable replacement for the unexpectedness / unfamiliarity of characters like Ice Climbers or Marth respectively. I'm also convinced Sakurai has a sweet spot for this game, given the obvious influence on Meteos and the oddly striking resemblance that Green Greens (Melee) has to Panel de Pon's gameplay layout.

Job 9: Black Shadow

I'll be the basic one and throw this out there. As you can see, I'm using the F-Zero X design since GX hasn't come out yet. Perhaps if Black Shadow is added to Smash, they will make design adjustments that would have a lasting effect on the series proper. As everyone probably knows it's become a common fan tradition over the last however many years to want Black Shadow to adopt Ganondorf's moveset - nowadays I don't think that's practical, but had this been established in Melee instead... that could have definitely worked, arguably way better. I think he's pretty damn cool and F-Zero was still an active series at the time, so it'd be nice to give it a bit more love while it's reasonable to do so.

I really like Knee's concept for Ryota too, though. Whether it's Shadow or Ryota, it just feels right to give Falcon a clone.

 

[Pupp135]

Here are the votes
Ice Climbers 3
Ridley 2
King Dedede 24
Isaac 2
Feraligatr
Ayumi Tachibana 2
Samurai Goroh 2
Mewtwo 22
Lip 9

King Dedede and Mewtwo are the next fighters.

Here are the nominations for the first set of clones.
Pupp135 Young Link
Perkilator Mach Rider
KneeOfJustice99 Ryota Hayami
M Master Hero Sock-on-Rye Wolf
BritishGuy54 Dr. Mario
DragonRobotKing26 Falco
darkvortex Pichu
TORNADO BUS DRIVER Leif
Northsouthmap Roy
nirvanafan Foreman Spike
Louie G. Black Shadow

Vote for your three most wanted, where yours is not first.

1. Falco
2. Young Link
3. Mach Rider

 

[darkvortex]

1. Falco
2. Pichu
3. Black Shadow

 

[BritishGuy54]

1. Falco
2. Roy
3. Dr. Mario

 

[KneeOfJustice99]

Lots of fun submissions here!

1. Leif (As much as I love Roy, I think Leif has a lot of potential in terms of how he'd function. His signature sword, the Light Brand, can cast light magic as a ranged tool - so my thought process is that it'd be neat if some of Leif's stronger attacks extend a spectral light blade outward from his sword for added range akin to some of Shulk's Monado attacks later down the line. It'd be a really unique take on a clone character!)
2. Wolf (As much as I love Falco, I think Wolf would be a really interesting candidate if he had some similar properties to in Brawl - like his close-range damage on his blaster and some slashing attacks here and there with fast startup. Plus, he's another rival/villain for the roster.)
3. Foreman Spike (An odd, but I think really inspired, submission. Even just making him a slower, heavier Mario with a hammer-based neutral special could give him a really unique gameplay vibe, and it'd be pretty neat to get a stage based on something like Wrecking Crew '98 in response to his inclusion.)

Shoutouts to pretty much all of these though, I don't think I'd be against any of them. Mach Rider, Dr. Mario, and Black Shadow came pretty close to nabbing the third spot for me though!

 

[Master Hero Sock-on-Rye]

1. Black Shadow - Now that Captain Falcon is one of the original 8 fighters, there's no way Ganondorf is a cross-series clone of him. So, let's bring in this guy as a promotional pick for F-Zero GX.
2. Dr. Mario - I still want to know how that one guy felt seeing Dr. Mario in Smash as his own roster slot. To clarify, there was a guy that asked Sakurai if he can add Dr. Mario as an alt for Mario, but he went and made him a clone character.
3. Pichu - It's not like a Gen 2 rep would have been as likely if the Baby Mons were never considered. Just a thought.

Honorable Mentions to Foreman Spike and the two FE characters.

 

[nirvanafan]

Ryota
Mach Rider
Foreman Spike

 

[DragonRobotKing26]

1. Mach Rider
2. Falco
3. Black Shadow

 

[TORNADO BUS DRIVER]

1. Falco
2. Black Shadow
3. Pichu

 

[Louie G.]

1. Falco - I adore Wolf, but I think Falco is the right choice for a Melee clone. Wolf would feel pretty empty without many of the unique moves that define him in Brawl, like his claw slashes. I understand that he could just get those later, like Falco, but I think given the option I'd rather just hypothetically add him in Brawl with all of that immediately in tact.
2. Black Shadow - My nomination, I still think he's a good choice and I'm just a bit torn over cross series clones so I think he's the most fitting Falcon clone.
3. Ryota Hayami - Still, this is a dope idea that deserves at least some love. Making him Falcon with a Power Wave sort of attack is kind of genius. Props to Knee for this great idea, but for now I'll prioritize characters within the same series as another.

Side note, I love Mach Rider, but the idea of them as a Captain Falcon clone has lost a lot of appeal to me. Hypothetically it works just fine, but an actual biker character would sure be a lot cooler. There are a lot of neat things that could be done with them that just wouldn't be able to shine here, so I'm trying to look at characters where getting in as a derivative would really be the only thing they have going for them.

Given another slot I'd probably have tossed in a Fire Emblem clone. Pichu makes a lot of sense too, and we could use another light speedy character. I assume we're not done with these anyway, Melee added 6 clones and we usually just add 2 characters per Job if anything, so we'll probably have another crack at it.

Also question, if say... Black Shadow and Mach Rider both won out, would we just add them both? Or would we simply opt for the highest voted of the two Captain Falcon clones instead? Or Falco and Wolf? Because I don't think it'd be a great idea to let that kind of thing stack, I'm sure our votes might look a little different and the desire for these characters would be lessened if we already had a Fox / Falcon clone added this game.

 

[TheLastMaverickHunter]

Ryota
Pichu
Falco

 

[Pupp135]

Also question, if say... Black Shadow and Mach Rider both won out, would we just add them both? Or would we simply opt for the highest voted of the two Captain Falcon clones instead? Or Falco and Wolf? Because I don't think it'd be a great idea to let that kind of thing stack, I'm sure our votes might look a little different and the desire for these characters would be lessened if we already had a Fox / Falcon clone added this game.

Looking at this post, I think it would probably make more sense to only choose the most voted one as it would be redundant to have multiple Captain Falcon/Fox/… clones added simultaneously.

 

[Northsouthmap]

1. Falco
2. Black Shadow
3. Wolf

 

[Pupp135]

Here are the votes:

Young Link 2
Mach Rider 6
Ryota Hayami 7
Wolf 3
Dr. Mario 3
Falco 21
Pichu 6
Leif 3
Roy 2
Foreman Spike 2
Black Shadow 11

Falco, Black Shadow, and Pichu (note that Ryota and Mach Rider were submitted as Captain Falcon clones) are the first clones added.

Job 10: Submit a Newcomer

I’ll nominate Ayumi here from Famicom Detective Club. I think that it could be a fun idea to play around with, and she helps add an unpredictable choice to the roster.

 

[Master Hero Sock-on-Rye]

Job 11: Submit a Newcomer

I submit Takamaru from The Mysterious Murasame Castle.

From a Nintendo standpoint, this guy's game is on the same level as Zelda, Metroid, and Kid Icarus. It's just that said title has never left Japan. But since Marth is in Smash 64, I thought we should give this guy his due in Melee.

As for his moveset, he can slash with his samurai sword, throw shuriken in four directions, jump with high agility, and even throw fireballs.

 

[nirvanafan]

Ray Mk II

Another one the few series to have entries between 64 & Melee. Series has GBA game on the way & will see its 1st international slightly after Fire Emblem.

 

[Perkilator]

Job 11: Yoshi


I'm sorry but leaving him out of 64 was downright criminal. If Donkey Kong could get his due in Melee, so can Yoshi.

 

[DragonRobotKing26]

Job 11: Pit (Kid Icarus)

Pit could be a good choice as a fighter in alternate Melee

 

[KneeOfJustice99]

Job #11
Character Name: Sukapon
Character Origin: Joy Mech Fight (1993)

Sukapon's an interesting choice in my mind. He's obviously more of a "retro" rep akin to Takamaru by this point, but Joy Mech Fight is also pretty notable in that it was Nintendo's first actual fighting game - and Sukapon himself was the highest-voted "miscellaneous Nintendo character" in the Smash 2 poll, as well as being considered in a role in the real-world Melee (specifically, as an item?)

In terms of moveset potential, Sukapon's obviously got plenty on the basis of being from a fighting game, with funny and unique special moves like Sukapon Roll and Konnanirahen - and he could also take some minor elements from other characters in the game like his clone, Sukapokon. Overall, his moveset would be pretty mobile and pressure-heavy - a perfect encapsulation of Joy Mech Fight's general feel.

(By the way, if this pick isn't allowed, feel free to let me know. After all, the contract proving Nintendo's ownership of JMF did get misplaced for a while.)

 

[Northsouthmap]

Lip (Panel De Pon)
Would represent puzzle games better than Dr. Mario. She would summon falling blocks and hit people with her stick.

 

[Pupp135]

I’ll leave this up for one more day for those who would like to submit.

 

[Louie G.]

Job 11: Little Mac (Punch-Out!!)

Seems like most of us are of the mind to bring in a pull with somewhat of a retro flair. Little Mac strides the line here a bit - he got a new title in the 90s, but he's a character largely defined by his arcade and NES legacy. It's not a fighting game, but it's perhaps one of Nintendo's first ventures into something resembling one. So I think Punch-Out justifies itself showing up this early... and IMO, it's at a comparable level of notoriety with some series already here.

I considered nominating the Excitebiker instead, but a couple things crossed my mind. Most notably that Sakurai couldn't really think of a way to make him work at the time, and I want to respect that. I think more specialized, gimmicky characters like that ought to come a bit later. Little Mac is someone who could feasibly be pretty simple, while also fulfilling a valuable gameplay niche.

Our newcomers thus far are slow hulking heavyweights (DK, Bowser, Dedede), magic users / zoners (Peach, Zelda, Mewtwo)... A boxer archetype is a standard of many fighting games, and a more traditional rushdown fighter to round out some of the wackiness is a welcome inclusion in my eyes. With the crop of big boss sized baddies we're adding this game too, it just feels right to let Mac tussle with them. And honestly, on a personal level... the Punch-Out victory jingle would just sound incredible with that Melee orchestra. Let me have this!

Opting for a look that pays more homage to his NES appearance here, but didn't want to use the contemporary design since it wouldn't be explored for nearly another decade, so instead I just used his Brawl model. Not the most glamorous appearance, but he wouldn't be the first to experience some growing pains in Melee. Better than opting for his weird SNES Mac, at least. I think if that version got into Smash it would have retroactively become his main look.

Side note though, I'd really like if Mr. Game & Watch came back. I felt like going for more of a new approach for variety sake but I'd probably cash my vote in for him if someone threw it out there. As of now I'm still hoping Lip can make it in too.

 

[darkvortex]

Mr. Game and Watch
I like him he's funny

 

[Master Hero Sock-on-Rye]

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Mr. Game and Watch
I like him he's funny

Well, time for Louie G. to hold up their side of the bargain. The ball's in your court.

 

[TORNADO BUS DRIVER]

Saki Amamiya (Sin & Punishment)